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Ovechkin with team Russia - mediocre in important games

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05-23-2010, 07:18 PM
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That's 3 times this season that Ovechkin has done nothing. And last year in the playoffs as well as the world jrs.

He's not a big game player.

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05-23-2010, 07:21 PM
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Nevertheless, we will still be inundated with posts about how much better Ovy is than Crosby. Even though the only "A" team in the WC's didn't win.

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would be interesting to do a poll on who is the best overall hockey player in the world, based on individual accomplishments, talent, contributions toward team success in the big games and wins etc.

I'd be surprised if OV is even in the top 5 at this point.

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05-23-2010, 07:23 PM
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His mom kinda looks like Yoda, and she obviously knows what it means to be a champion. Just a matter of time before she gets through to him on it. Or, they could try to get an older player to reign herd on the young guys. Wonder if Mats Sundin wants to come back?
mom is just like OV... OV needs a Chris Pronger, or a Laviolette as a coach... someone who isn't more concerned with coddling and being buddies with him.

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05-23-2010, 07:30 PM
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would be interesting to do a poll on who is the best overall hockey player in the world, based on individual accomplishments, talent, contributions toward team success in the big games and wins etc.

I'd be surprised if OV is even in the top 5 at this point.
Wayne Gretzky's career to this point played out the exact same way....
He only went on to be the greatest hockey player ever.

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05-23-2010, 07:32 PM
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Hey AO is still a stud!

He just needs to play a few more games against the ****** teams in his divisions to make him look good!

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05-23-2010, 07:33 PM
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Wayne Gretzky's career to this point played out the exact same way....
He only went on to be the greatest hockey player ever.
im just saying as of right now based on recent disappointments, OV's stock has fallen... he needs to change, and he needs some mentorship to be back on top again. of course it can be done, since there is still a good amt of time left for OV.

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05-23-2010, 07:35 PM
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In ANY game 7, for that matter?

Fact is, until Ovechkin wins something, he's no different than Luca Caputi or Ethan Horton or Brad Boyes.

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05-23-2010, 07:39 PM
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You don't have to dominate. You just have to win.

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05-23-2010, 07:41 PM
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Ovechkin is playing like a bull and a bonehead sometimes. He isnt the smartest player around.

I am not impressed with him after managing losing every important game in his career.

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Wayne Gretzky's career to this point played out the exact same way....
He only went on to be the greatest hockey player ever.
At the age of 24 Gretzky had three 200 point seasons, three finals appearances, and won two Stanley Cups.

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Hey AO is still a stud!

He just needs to play a few more games against the ****** teams in his divisions to make him look good!
Way to back this claim up with stats. That's right you can't.

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05-23-2010, 07:59 PM
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Ovechkin in the medal ceremonies.

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Ovechkin is playing like a bull and a bonehead sometimes. He isnt the smartest player around.

I am not impressed with him after managing losing every important game in his career.
so if people are going to rag on him for Russia losing the most recent gold medal game, saying that it's a "big game" then they have no choice but to give him credit for winning a gold medal in the WCs the past two years as well, right?

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i am not going to be specific but overall it was a bad tournament for ovechkin, you can say it was a bad year too (remember the standards for ao).

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Ovechkin in the medal ceremonies.
What is he doing?

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What is he doing?
Standing beside the boards as opposed to closer to the center of the ice.

Not sure why its a huge deal...TSN2 pointed out he went to the bench shortly after the game ended and was there for a minute or two and when he came back on, he was beside the boards for a little while.Maybe he was retriving a water bottle, maybe he just wanted a few moments to himself, maybe he was desperately hoping the cameras didn't catch the tears this time.

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i am not going to be specific but overall it was a bad tournament for ovechkin, you can say it was a bad year too (remember the standards for ao).
4 GWGs is a bad tournament?
Personal records in assists, assists per game, points per game,and +/- is a bad year? Only 3 points off a career mark despite missing ten games is a bad year?

Being named captain and leading a team to a 32-8-8 record (and yes, that includes playoffs) as Captain is a bad year?

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In ANY game 7, for that matter?

Fact is, until Ovechkin wins something, he's no different than Luca Caputi or Ethan Horton or Brad Boyes.


(I wish I had photoshop skillz so I could do a mash of Moreau and Horton's mugshots.

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05-24-2010, 12:53 AM
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God bless Ovechkin. He's arguably the best thing to happen to Russian hockey since the Soviet days. I can think of few other athletes in any sport that have as much passion. He doesn't always have the best judgment, but is young and every accomplishment and failure is a building block. He's getting rough treatment from Russian fans, but it's with good intentions. However, when people dissect his every little move, hoping to find another excuse to throw dirt on him (or any other star), in the end it only makes these people themselves appear like low-lifes.

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Ovechkin's year just keeps getting worse, haha. Got suspended twice, lost 7-3 to Canada at the Olympics, lost the Art Ross to Sedin, lost the Richard to Crosby/Stamkos, lost in the first round of the playoffs and now this.

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The only problem with this thread is the suggestion that he's only mediocre in big games with team Russia. He's been pretty mediocre in big games with all his teams.

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The bad news is that most of the criticism of him is valid on some level. He hasn't really stepped it up in the bigger games.

The good news is it can be corrected fairly easily. He's just got to work with his coaches to find ways to contribute when the offence isn't there. Learning to play defensively is much easier to teach than learning how to play offensively like AO. He just needs to committ to changing and making the small adjustments that can improve his play.

Also, he does seem like a different player for the last part of the year. I don't know if it was from the Olympics or the second suspension or what, but his game really seemed to trail off to end the year. Perhaps fatigue was a factor?

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The only problem with this thread is the suggestion that he's only mediocre in big games with team Russia. He's been pretty mediocre in big games with all his teams.
I dunno, goal and assist in game 7 against Flyers, not much against Rangers,goal against Penguins. Against the Habs he was the best player on the ice, and his goal should have counted. He hasn't been exceptional, but he's been better than "mediocre". It's amazing to me that he gets lambasted on these boards for being bad in big games while other players get credit for "always bringing it when it's all on the line", even though those other players really haven't brought it in big games at all.

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