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05-22-2010, 04:34 PM
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With all these Kaberle proposals the over the last 25 years..................



can anyone give me a good reason why the Leafs should trade Kaberle,
not to mention why anyone would trade for him ?????????

case a) he is a real #1 defender......... no GM wiht half a brain trades his #1 defender away.

case b) he isn't a true #1 defender, so why would any GM give more than a 2nd rounder for 1 year of Kaberle.

please help me out here, i'm going nuts wiht these Kaberle offers
case c) He's a good #2 and Premier PMD who can't be counted on for any serious PK time, GM will be looking to move a Late First and good but not great prospect or a young top 6 forward + (depends on the quality and the contract of the top 6 forward)

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Carolina -kaberle

Toronto - Rutuu, Dalpe and 2nd
no thanks, pretty sure that Rutherford isn't into being *****.

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So since he is the most mentioned trade proposal on this site
I decided to make a quick list of every team and what the leafs
should be asking for:

Detroit - kaberle

Toronto - Helm, Nyquist and 1st
Nope.

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05-22-2010, 04:38 PM
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I'd do the Atlanta, Anaheim, Chicago, Colorado, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Phoenix, San Jose, St Louis and Washington deals. Some of the others are probably fair value too, I just don't know enough about the prospects. Wouldn't do the Florida, Boston or Buffalo trades.

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05-22-2010, 05:03 PM
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Your problem is you think he makes the Leafs better than he actually does.

Kaberle is a big reason why the Leafs defense corps has been crap in the actual defensive zone for many years now.

He's twinky soft, defensively irresponsible, lousy work ethic and effort, and so unreliable three straight coaches have refused to play him on the PK at all because he actually makes an already bad unit even worse.

For all the points he puts up he still manages to be a deeply minus player. The Leafs won't turn a corner defensively until he is gone.

The truth is, he doesn't really help his team win. And so, his value continues to get grossly overrated by folks such as yourself.
Yup, that's why he was the top PKer on the Leafs under Quinn, and during Maurice's first season. Because neither played him there ever.

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05-22-2010, 05:07 PM
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These are some of the worst proposals ever.

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05-22-2010, 06:27 PM
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well we got Kubina for Exelby soooooooooo by that logic i offer you:

Todd White
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Kaberle


sound good?

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05-22-2010, 06:33 PM
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well we got Kubina for Exelby soooooooooo by that logic i offer you:

Todd White
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for

Kaberle


sound good?
And that is some good logic.

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05-22-2010, 06:36 PM
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well we got Kubina for Exelby soooooooooo by that logic i offer you:

Todd White
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Kaberle


sound good?
And Burke subsequently signs Hamhuis

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05-22-2010, 06:37 PM
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Yup, that's why he was the top PKer on the Leafs under Quinn, and during Maurice's first season. Because neither played him there ever.
it has nothing to do with how he is being played under wilson or how horrible the leafs have been as a whole for the most part.

but kaberle is a liability on hf.

funny.

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05-22-2010, 06:42 PM
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Just to point out,

Ottawa has been left out..

So that's 28 teams, not every team

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Did you really have to list "team's name - Kaberle" for every single team?

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Just to point out,

Ottawa has been left out..

So that's 28 teams, not every team
They've been left out for a reason

But just for discussion purposes it would take Michalek + Fisher

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All of these are absolutely brutal.

I'll keep our top prospect AND our 20th overall over a guy we'll have for 1 year .

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They've been left out for a reason

But just for discussion purposes it would take Michalek + Fisher
I would do it because as much as Fisher is great, his salary isn't. MM9 is iffy because of his health problems. Karbele has 1 year left, and then he is off the books, whereas Fisher has 3 years left @ $4.2 and MM9 has 4 years @ $4.3.

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The last thing mn needs is another overpaid offensive defensemen. let alone trade prospects for said d-men

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I think it'd cause some issues for Toronto Salary cap wise.

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^^^^

Please tell me how Kaberle is overpaid?

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05-22-2010, 07:31 PM
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Hate to come off as rude to the OP


but those proposals to Washington and Philly are just insulting.


Giroux AND a prospect for Philly?


Fehr, Alzner, and a 2nd for Kaberle? They are trading away the only reasonable DEFENSIVE defenseman for an older, mature, Mike Green?

You're DREAMING if you think Pittsburgh is giving up Staal and Tangradi for Kaberle

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Peopel on HFboards are obsessed with young players, for example I'm sure many Anaheim fans wouldn't trade Sbisa straight up for Kaberle, and can see why they wouldn't, Sbisa is a great fit into their current plans; but you've gotta look at the other side of the trade. If you're Toronto and have Kaberle who is willing to end his career here, why on earth do you trade him for a defenceman who MIGHT one day become anywhere near as good as he is. So that you can maybe have an asset left over 6 years down the road when Kaberle retires? You've gotta get something else to cover for that risk, hence the first round pick (in this case one 27-30). The chances of Sbisa or that first developing into a player comparable to Tomas Kaberle are significantly less than 50% each, so even if you take a fair projected valuation, the Leafs are losing out. It's possible that you get 2 top line players out of them, but that's unlikely. There's also the possibility that you get 2 bottom of the lineup players (or non NHLers). They balance each other off. Lupul is in there becasue he has minimal value, but would be a player that the leafs would take on if Kaberle wasn't on the team.

However, Anaheim doesn't place value on Kaberle at the next 5-6 years becasue they don't know if he signs, nor do they have teh budget to pay him this year.
It is a waste for the Ducks to throw away their best prospect and a #1 for a guy they know they will not sign. It is bad management to obtain a player for your steep prices knowing he is a UFA who wants to stay in the east. It just doesnt make sense.

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Really jfried, why even bother chiming in at this point.

The entire site knows that you want the very best player(s) AND young talented prospect(s) AND at least a 1st round pick for your one year of the aging TK.

There will never be enough on offer for you and your response proposals are simply outside the park barking loony total ape poop rubbing feces on the walls insane.

No offense.
QFT.

But jfried is right. Kabs is worth more to the Leafs than to others. There is really no reason for the Buds to trade TK unless they get more than he's worth (or equiv. to what he's worth if he wasn't just a rental). Toronto's better of giving him an extension for hopefully a hometown discount. Even at his current $, it's still good value.


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I would do it because as much as Fisher is great, his salary isn't. MM9 is iffy because of his health problems. Karbele has 1 year left, and then he is off the books, whereas Fisher has 3 years left @ $4.2 and MM9 has 4 years @ $4.3.
i would do fisher and mm for kabs but would the sens really do it?

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It is a waste for the Ducks to throw away their best prospect and a #1 for a guy they know they will not sign. It is bad management to obtain a player for your steep prices knowing he is a UFA who wants to stay in the east. It just doesnt make sense.
Obviously....thats why they don't make this trade.

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I would rather see Toronto keep Kaberle. The guy is a 4 time ALL-STAR and a stud on the point. One of the most talented puck moving D in the NHL! He wants to stay in T.O. so keep him here!

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Leafs fans, could you please stop with Kaberle threads? This's beyond than ridiculous.
At least this thread is good for a laugh.

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