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05-22-2010, 03:39 PM
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Alright, that's cool. So saying it was unfair for Canada to lose in the 1998 Olympics is valid, too. In the semis, we outplayed the Czechs but the game still stayed tied. We ended up losing the shootout because Marc Crawford didn't choose Gretzky. Canada should have gone on to win that year.
This. That's why having a good coach matters i guess.

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05-22-2010, 04:13 PM
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Is BÅG already dismissed as coach of the tre kronors?
I really don't wish to see his face behind behind the swedish bench tomorrow!


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05-22-2010, 04:21 PM
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Alright, that's cool. So saying it was unfair for Canada to lose in the 1998 Olympics is valid, too. In the semis, we outplayed the Czechs but the game still stayed tied. We ended up losing the shootout because Marc Crawford didn't choose Gretzky. Canada should have gone on to win that year.
lol outplayed? Canada was outshot and outchanced.

and Gretzky was not gonna beat Hasek anyways, Gretz sucked at shootouts.

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05-22-2010, 04:27 PM
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Player selection and line composition was little baffling for the Olympics. Samuelsson snubbed and then saddling the Sedins with One-Eyed Mattias Weinhandl.

Weinhandl has proved over the years that he cannot play in the NHL and on NHL sized rinks. His selection was a head scratcher.

And not having either Edler or Hedman as younger D to bring along was also surprising.
well, i think BÅG paired the ugly twins with the cyclops weinhandl, because they knew each other quite well from former fairy-tales on junior hockey level.

but to leave a tremendous young d-man like edler at home was indeed... uuhhm...surprising.


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05-22-2010, 04:31 PM
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lol outplayed? Canada was outshot and outchanced.

and Gretzky was not gonna beat Hasek anyways, Gretz sucked at shootouts.
uuh... he obviously doesn't remember the match very well. i agree with you, Reds4Life.


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05-22-2010, 04:42 PM
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Excuses, excuses. And people say Canadians are the only ones who do that?
If it'd been for this one tournament then yeah, but for those who've followed these forums regularly the past year we've been critizing our coaching staff for a long long time now. Long before the tournaments have started and both after wins and losses.

There have been coaching errors over the last two tournaments(and earlier aswell) that are simply unacceptable for a coach on this level to make. Coaching is never a sole reason for losing but often the tipping point in close matches, and our biggest problem is to win close matches. Honorable losing margins is our forte.. When board members from other countries notice your coaching errors, you know it's bad.

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05-22-2010, 04:44 PM
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It's only this year he has been beyond horrible, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. And I'd say having these 2 guys on the team didn't hurt either.


That team was so stacked that you forgot one of the greatest. It's gonna take a long long time before we see a trio like this.


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05-22-2010, 04:47 PM
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That team was so stacked that you forgot one of the greatest. It's gonna take a long long time before we see a trio like this.

BÅG should kiss Forsberg, Sundin, Lidström, Zetterberg and Lundqvist's ***** for that tournament win.

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lol outplayed? Canada was outshot and outchanced.

and Gretzky was not gonna beat Hasek anyways, Gretz sucked at shootouts.
Crawford also should've chosen Yzerman. And, you don't know that Gretz wouldn't have scored. That one time could've been when he did.

You outshot us by like 3, and I'm not sure how much you outchanced us. And even Jagr said we were probably the better team but they got lucky.

And I wasn't entirely serious about my post anyway. It was more of an offering of an alternative situation where Canada happened to be on the losing end because of a bad coaching decision. Thing is, you can claim you lost because of a bad coach/you didn't have the right players there/etc but at the end of the day a loss is a loss. And people have to accept that, be they Swedish/Canadian/American/whoever.

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uuh... he obviously doesn't remember the match very well. i agree with you, Reds4Life.
He? I'm a girl.


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05-22-2010, 05:02 PM
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He? I'm a girl.
all of a sudden grants you an extra sympathy!

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all of a sudden grants you an extra sympathy!
What are you talking about? All I did was correct you.

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05-23-2010, 12:55 AM
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Of course. Just ignore the fact that BÅG is the only coach that has taken a national team to six consecutive semi-finals in the world championships. No other country has ever done that before.
To be accurate, Sweden now has a streak of ten consecutive semi final appearances, which is a record. However, that is only true because the current format with a knockout stage has only been used since 1992. Sweden placed in the final four every year between 1957 and 1984 for example. They also had a streak of ten straight medals between 1967 and 1977.

So reaching the semi finals is pretty much what you would expect for a Swedish WC squad. However, since BAG became coach Sweden has actually missed the medals three out of five tries. That is a 40 % medal rate with BAG. To put that in perspective, Sweden only missed the medals three times in the 18 years preceeding BAG. That is a 83 % medal rate without BAG.

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05-23-2010, 01:03 AM
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Putting defensive specialist Sami Paulson's grinding line on the ice for the final minutes of an Olympic knockout game when you are down with one goal says it all. Backstrom's line had been excellent all tournament, but I guess BAG thought that we needed some extra defensive power during final minutes of the game.

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05-23-2010, 01:17 AM
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BAG won Olympic gold, how can you bash him so much. He has had his fair share of success.
If you have a team with proven leaders like Lidström, Sundin, Forsberg and Alfredsson in addition to solid character guys like Zetterberg and the Jönsson brothers, the team will more or less run itself, even if the coach is incompetent.

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05-23-2010, 02:14 AM
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Nilson had like one point on the entire tournament, and Wallin has no offence - these two guys were the two forwards that he chose to play on the first pp-unit.


And a lot of the time Karlsson, one of the best pp-qb:s in the NHL, didn't get to play power play at all.

He made our only decent NHL-forward go home (Bergfors)

Like 40 players turned down his invitation to the WC, no one wants to play for him.

He even looks like an idiot.

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05-23-2010, 02:44 AM
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I don't think Marts is anywhere near as bad as BAG. Marts actually leaned on players who were producing relatively well, and he made some adjustments over the last two tournaments which was really helpful for Sweden. You can always say that you'd want better results, but considering the talent that's been coming out of North America lately (and that the tournaments have been played on small ice the last while), Sweden hasn't really done poorly at the Juniors.

BAG was way overdue for the boot though, I don't think there was anything that was redeemable about the guy. I even get pissed off at him because he has this character in his initials that I can't get on my keyboard!
I don't expect much improvement in all honesty. Very similar mistakes with picking out rosters have been made with Mårts, and as you live in Ottawa, I'm sure you recall how he not only lost control of his team in the WJC final in Ottawa, but he added to the embarrasement by yelling ans screaming to the ref himself about ignoring obvoius dives and embellishment.

His "fixes" are to bring on staff a sports psychologist, dietician, goalie coach, and himself. Do you really think guys like the Sedins, Alfredsson, Lundqvist, Z, etc. are going to be impressed? Possibly entertained.

Mårts has had three chances with some excellent generations. Zero golds. The shrink is really making the guys clutch! LOL

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Pretty sure the Sedin's were eager to play for dbAg after Samuelsson got snubbed. Seriously how could Sweden sports screw up that bad at the olympics... they have the highest scoring NHL player and don't even ask who he wants to be on his wing opposite his twin brother.

They totally fed the KHL agenda and got burned for it.

No wonder the good swedish players turned their noses up at the idea of playing for them.

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05-23-2010, 03:10 AM
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The OP said the coaching is the reason why Sweden doesn't win; that's an excuse. If a Canadian used an excuse like that, most people would be quick to label them a whiner and a sore loser.
Couldn't have said it better myself!

The truth is that we and the players really don't care about this garbage tournament. That's why we send our midget team.

If we cared, we would obviously have sent a better team to Vancouver and Germany and showed the world who is #1. But when the tourney is in Canada on small ice with NHL refs, we don't care, and the WCHs has never really mattered either. None of these clown prizes handed out around the world matters to us.

What is important is that HV71 won the Le Mat Trophy in May, so we already knew that they are the real world champions.

We actually sort of cared in 2006, as some of our guys were getting older and thought it'd be neat to have a gold medal or two before it was time to hang'em up, so we sent a b-team to the olympics and a v-team to the worlds to make sure we doubled up. This year doesn't mean thing to us, which is obvious to anybody understanding anything at all about hockey.

I'm glad you called people out on making all these excuses about the coacing. Like you, I'm sick of them.

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05-23-2010, 03:29 AM
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Pretty sure the Sedin's were eager to play for dbAg after Samuelsson got snubbed. Seriously how could Sweden sports screw up that bad at the olympics... they have the highest scoring NHL player and don't even ask who he wants to be on his wing opposite his twin brother.

They totally fed the KHL agenda and got burned for it.

No wonder the good swedish players turned their noses up at the idea of playing for them.
There is more to these stories than what meets the eye. Olympic year and "tired" players in all their glory, but some key players have had enough with how Tre Kronor has been running for a while now. BÅG is only a part of the problem. The federation is trying to smooth things over. Remarkably, Näslund's name isn't even mentioned in the discussion. After all he was the part time GM for all these years, but nobody heard much from him, so I guess it makes sense that he is not included in any significant discussion now either. To be fair, the federation is somewhat throwing BÅG under the bus to save face, while "accomodating" some "suggestions" from "key opinion leaders" to have people come back to Tre Kronor for future tournaments.

The majority of people declining this year would have done so, and would have continued to do so, even if they had played 30 games/season unless their demands were accomodated. Some of it have to do with BÅG and some of it have to do with how the federation manages the talent pool, young and old.


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05-23-2010, 03:35 AM
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BÅG got the last shoot at the golden generation and the result was two gold in 2006. It was way better then Forsberg and Hardy. And they had the golden generation in its absolute prime.

BÅG have done some big mistakes as head coach, I think he is way better as assistant coach, Like he was in Switzerland.

But in the end in eight championships he have:4,1,1,4,4,3,5,?( 3,125 if Sweden Finish 3 today) its not so bad only one lost in the QF in eight championships and two golds. But of course its not good enough Sweden standard to play only two finals in eight championship. But two gold for Sweden in eight championship are good.

BÅG was bad in some championships but he was way better then Forsberg and Hardy, they had the golden generation in its prime and had many times dream teams to work with.

I think Mårts will be the best head coach for the national team since Conny Evensson.


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05-23-2010, 04:12 AM
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You shouldn't let the players do the coaching for you.
He said to the media that he let the players decide the time out against the Czechs. He should be the leader and decisionmaker, nothing wrong whit discussing things whit the players but he should be responsible and stand behind all coaching decisions.

Yet, I think he has been good at 'team building'. And creating good team spirits in the teams he coached. Every player availiable wanted to play in the Olympics, shows that most of them like the way the NT has been run.

It was a poor decision to leave Samuelsson out though.

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Yet, I think he has been good at 'team building'. And creating good team spirits in the teams he coached. Every player availiable wanted to play in the Olympics, shows that most of them like the way the NT has been run.

Not even close.

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Not even close.
'Close' to what?

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REJOICE, BÅG IS FINALLY GONE!

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Ribban is really on a roll, deciding what swedish fans and players thinks about every tournament there is. Lay off man.
Is there a hockey event that you care about? Would you be happy if Timo Lahtinen took over instead of Mårts?

I agree that Mårts is no messias, but he won't be as bad as BÅG. And demanding that Swedish juniors should win on Canadas home soil when they really doesn't compare position to position, is a little to much IMO.

What did you think about BÅGs coaching at the olympics in Vancouver? His selections, his persisting on the philosophy of "sossehockey"(basically giving every player a equal amount o pp-time, just for the fairness of it). Why did BÅG leave out a guy like Tomas Holmström in Turin, a guy who was instrumental for our win, and decide to add him just because someone got hurt?

I agree with you that Näslund and alot of people in the federation has a responsibility aswell, espacially the arrogant Näslund. There is a need for alot of changes, but removing BÅG is a instrumental first step.

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