only duninick posa and nishi would still be in highschool
You also have to consider school ends just after the May 24. As sad as it is teachers and students go on cruise control at that time and it creates for a poor learning environment.
While it does not look good as far as him reporting goes it was the same story last year with Kenny Ryan. While that does not in any way mean he will change his mind Kenny Ryan actually reported to college before reporting to Windsor so there is always that small sliver of hope.
Reading the article though he sounds like a kid with his head on straight who would have definitely been a nice addition on and off the ice in Windsor. Hopefully there is still the chance over the next few months that he reconsiders even though his decision sounds pretty definite.
While it does not look good as far as him reporting goes it was the same story last year with Kenny Ryan. While that does not in any way mean he will change his mind Kenny Ryan actually reported to college before reporting to Windsor so there is always that small sliver of hope.
Reading the article though he sounds like a kid with his head on straight who would have definitely been a nice addition on and off the ice in Windsor. Hopefully there is still the chance over the next few months that he reconsiders even though his decision sounds pretty definite.
Don't close the book on Johns... there is a realistic chance after he is drafted, that the team holding his rights directs him to the OHL and Windsor.
Don't close the book on Johns... there is a realistic chance after he is drafted, that the team holding his rights directs him to the OHL and Windsor.
He told me at the combine that many NHL teams asked him if he would report to Windsor if they asked him and he said no. Johns says his heart is at Notre Dame and it would take something catastrophic for him to change his mind. It certainly seems unlikely that he will come to Windsor.
Probably knocked him out of the first round because it shows hockey isn't his end all and be all. Wings took Brenden Smith 4 years ago and knew he was going the college route, but in the cap era you need your kids ready to play in the pro's younger. Going the college route probably means at least a year of AHL when he finally signs, whereas if he went the OHL route he could be in the pros in a year.
I wonder if it would have been different if the Spits were going to host the Mem Cup or at least be a top team. Maybe trade his rights to London to be with his buddy Tinordi.
Probably knocked him out of the first round because it shows hockey isn't his end all and be all. Wings took Brenden Smith 4 years ago and knew he was going the college route, but in the cap era you need your kids ready to play in the pro's younger. Going the college route probably means at least a year of AHL when he finally signs, whereas if he went the OHL route he could be in the pros in a year.
I wonder if it would have been different if the Spits were going to host the Mem Cup or at least be a top team. Maybe trade his rights to London to be with his buddy Tinordi.
Are you serious? Funny, didn't seem to affect guys like Parise, Toews, Van Riemsdyk, Phil Kessel, Kyle Okposo...shall I go on?
Are you serious? Funny, didn't seem to affect guys like Parise, Toews, Van Riemsdyk, Phil Kessel, Kyle Okposo...shall I go on?
All of those players are better then Johns, however the statement was wrong. Going to the NCAA has no baring on where teams will draft you. Jr A players like Joe Colborne are going in the first round, talent is talent. If Seguin was in the USHL or JrA, that wouldnt stop a team from taking him high.
Are you serious? Funny, didn't seem to affect guys like Parise, Toews, Van Riemsdyk, Phil Kessel, Kyle Okposo...shall I go on?
All skill forwards. Johns will be a physical defenseman in the NHL, and his game would better be developed in the OHL.
Jack Johnson was traded because his pro-team wasn't prepared to wait for him and his current team blasted him for not being prepared well while playing at Michigan.
If he wants to "repay" his parents by going to school, I don't think he's a one and done or even just two years, it makes it sounds he plans on graduating. So that's at least three years and then a year in the AHL.
[QUOTE=Ottomatic;26087183]Probably knocked him out of the first round because it shows hockey isn't his end all and be all. Wings took Brenden Smith 4 years ago and knew he was going the college route, but in the cap era you need your kids ready to play in the pro's younger. Going the college route probably means at least a year of AHL when he finally signs, whereas if he went the OHL route he could be in the pros in a year.
I wonder if it would have been different if the Spits were going to host the Mem Cup or at least be a top team. Maybe trade his rights to London to be with his buddy Tinordi.[/QUOTE]
Not unless Rychel is having a fire sale.
If there is one thing that may assist in getting him to report it would be the chance to play with Tinordi in the O with the encouragement of whoever drafts him. Even then the chance of him being here may be slim but I would still bring in Tinordi if I had a chance to. London would never likely move him, unless he was adamant on playing elsewhere and I doubt Rychel would ever move Johns unless he was just as adamant.
The only way Johns comes to play in Windsor is if whoever drafts him can convince him to as well as signs him to an ELC right away as well as ensure him he is in the AHL at the minimmum by the time 2011/12 rolls around. Windsor would also have to pay for a full scholarship just in case.
A deal like that along with a chance to play with his buddy, who be require a very similar deal if they could obtain his rights would be about the only way to convince him to report.
What a blueline though if all of that could be turned into reality. That would be pulling off the impossible.
All signs point to him playing at Notre Dame, but it said in the paper Rychel still wanted to bring him and his family to Windsor to show them around and have a heart to heart meeting. Rychel could sell honey to a bee, he could sellice to an eskimo, he could sell fire to the devil, so he could sell Johns on Windsor too. I don't know if it will happen, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point if it did.
I hate the offseason, its just waiting around for something cool to happen or for training camp to start. There's probably nothing exciting happening with the import draft, so its pretty much hoping for a trade or surprise signing to pass the time. Come on Rychel, cook up something tasty! I'm hoping he signals to the world that we're going for 3 by throwing all kinds of crap at some GM to get a good player. I still think McFarlane would have a huge breakout with us if we could pry him away from Sudbury for Grubauer or some sort of package of crap.
All signs point to him playing at Notre Dame, but it said in the paper Rychel still wanted to bring him and his family to Windsor to show them around and have a heart to heart meeting. Rychel could sell honey to a bee, he could sellice to an eskimo, he could sell fire to the devil, so he could sell Johns on Windsor too. I don't know if it will happen, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me at this point if it did.
I hate the offseason, its just waiting around for something cool to happen or for training camp to start. There's probably nothing exciting happening with the import draft, so its pretty much hoping for a trade or surprise signing to pass the time. Come on Rychel, cook up something tasty! I'm hoping he signals to the world that we're going for 3 by throwing all kinds of crap at some GM to get a good player. I still think McFarlane would have a huge breakout with us if we could pry him away from Sudbury for Grubauer or some sort of package of crap.
I have to agree with you. It doesn't look good but if Rychel can get them in for a visit I think Johns may end up a Spitfire. Seems like if he gets kids in here for a visit he can seal the deal. It's a shame he couldn't have checked out a game against Barrie like when so many other prospects were there even though he had already signed with Windsor Jack Campbell was in the building the evening they won the OHL.
I have to agree with you. It doesn't look good but if Rychel can get them in for a visit I think Johns may end up a Spitfire. Seems like if he gets kids in here for a visit he can seal the deal. It's a shame he couldn't have checked out a game against Barrie like when so many other prospects were there even though he had already signed with Windsor Jack Campbell was in the building the evening they won the OHL.
They have been here already Warren has wined and dined them and Steve wants to go to ND the whole time and is sticking with it.
If Johns said "I want to play in London with Tinordi or I'm going to Notre Dame" Rychel wouldn't have a choice. now he's have to way the London offer, if London was low-balling, Rychel could say "Enjoy ND", however if there was a fair offer from London then you have to make that move.
Spits could be really bad next year. No use giving up ND to play on a bad OHL team. Cantin might not even be back, as he could be drafted and head right to the AHL, like what happened with Lane last year. We don't think Fowler or Ellis are ready, but in the cap world, both could stick with their pro-teams. I think Ellis at least gets 10 games with Nashville.
Agreed with cfaub. Windsor definitely won't be bad even if they lose more than expected. They have good draft picks and they still have a good amount of talent at every position.
If Johns said "I want to play in London with Tinordi or I'm going to Notre Dame" Rychel wouldn't have a choice. now he's have to way the London offer, if London was low-balling, Rychel could say "Enjoy ND", however if there was a fair offer from London then you have to make that move.
I think the whole point is moot, Tinordi and Johns both seem very set on the College route.
I hope Rychel does not want Johns to report just so he could trade him. This all reeks with the ugliness of another potential Memorial cup run.
Im pretty sure that WR would want Johns to report because of how much of a asset he would be to the backend. If he were to report and ask for a trade well thats a different story. Many of the American players that come over have no trade clauses, as they should. Its tough to sell your program to someone, for them to give up there full ride's, only to be traded, it doesnt really paint a good picture.
I see alot of talk on here about trading ryan ellis??? are we serious right now he will prob be made captain next year baring some potential returns that could take it. Also are we all forgetting about 2 years ago when we had the chance to trade ryan ellis and some role players to get John Tavares and Del Zotto??? there are no players in the league right now that are as skilled as those two were and they did not trade ellis then, so why does everybody think he will be traded now? Not to mention second in points at memorial cup.
I see alot of talk on here about trading ryan ellis??? are we serious right now he will prob be made captain next year baring some potential returns that could take it. Also are we all forgetting about 2 years ago when we had the chance to trade ryan ellis and some role players to get John Tavares and Del Zotto??? there are no players in the league right now that are as skilled as those two were and they did not trade ellis then, so why does everybody think he will be traded now? Not to mention second in points at memorial cup.
Yeah, I too have been noticing that people are starting to mention ryan ellis' name in trade talks. While it is way to early to tell whats going to happen for next years team regarding trades, its all going to come down to who returns or not. All the points that you have made regarding Ellis only make me believe that his return value will be pretty high. The Spits would prob need some younger forwards moving forward. So if the Spits do decide to go younger than why not get full value from him. You started hearing the talks last year between Ellis and Fowler. That if both of them were to be returned next year that there wouldnt be enough room for them.
Its only June - so until than we can all enjoy our summer and wait for training camp to open.
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I see alot of talk on here about trading ryan ellis??? are we serious right now he will prob be made captain next year baring some potential returns that could take it. Also are we all forgetting about 2 years ago when we had the chance to trade ryan ellis and some role players to get John Tavares and Del Zotto??? there are no players in the league right now that are as skilled as those two were and they did not trade ellis then, so why does everybody think he will be traded now? Not to mention second in points at memorial cup.
The thing about trading Ellis is this
Ellis and Fowler both return they both need time as the number 1 on the blueline to develop. Ellis is far more proven in the O and will command a much higher return.
If only Ellis returns and Windsor does not look like they can seriously contend for another O championship then again it is time to maximize your assets and start to reload.
If only Ellis is returned and Windsor does look like a contender then you simply keep him in the role he is in.
Look at possible returns for Ellis and Grubauer even if Windsor is able to contend.
Ellis to Missy for example
To Missy
Ellis
6th round pick in 2011
To Windsor
Ebert (1st round pick in 2010)
93 born prospect
2nd round pick in 2011
2nd round pick in 2012
Grubauer to Kingston or Peterborough
To Peterborough or Kingston
Grubauer
1st round import in 2011 (2010 if done before this year's import draft.)
7th round pick in 2011
To Windsor
93 born prospect or 3rd round pick in 2012
1st. round import pick in 2011 (2010 if moved before the import draft. If it is the 2011 import pick and Windsor is reloading then Windsor keeps their 2011 import and moves their 2012 import pick)
2nd round pick in 2011
2nd round pick in 2012
Obviously these are just possible returns and who knows what the exact deals would be but something along these lines should be possible.
Grubauer will be moved regardless at some point this season, why not sooner than later. It allows someone to solidify their goaltending before the season starts and it allows Windsor to move up in the import draft and pick up another high end forward.
Ellis would likely be a deadline deal if Windsor is doing well. If Windsor is looking like they are more interested in reloading then I would move him sooner rather then later. The last thing about moving Ellis is with all he has done the last couple of seasons a move to Missy, especially if Windsor looks to be out of the mix would be rewarding him with a chance to make it three in a row.
If Windsor looks like they can contend those two deals (if Fowler returns) could give Windsor the assets to bring in the finishing touches on another OHL championship/Memorial Cup run. Depending on who is here in the first place. Add in a cpouple of other deals, minor role type players for mid to late round draft picks spread out over the next two to three drafts and Windsor can start to restock while still in the running.
It may suck to move players/fan favourites but it is the only way to remain competitive or at least limit reload/rebuild times. Sarnia is the perfect example. In 08/09 if they would have moved a couple of players at the deadline they would probably be in a much better position going in to 2010/11 then they appear to be. They would have still had a season similar to what they did in 09/10 but with far more assets at their disposal then what they had. They could have likely had another first rounder or two in their lineup at the end of 08/09 as well as extra second round picks in the 09 and 2010 drafts on top of whatever they had to begin with. This season they could have looked quite similar to Kitchener last season but they held onto fan favourites instead of moving them.
If all those expected to return do and maybe an unexpected return and/or reporting then Windsor will be in a unique position to reload somewhat while still making a push for three in a row.They just need to leave the sentimental feelings out of things.
