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06-05-2010, 12:36 AM
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Fight for a playoff spot or rebuild?

Watching and reading about these finals, it amazes me how good Kane and Toews really are. They did well at the Olympics but they are now the Blackhawk's. They are the franchise players for that team.

And they went respectively 3rd in 2006 and 1st in 2007.

Thinking about it, look at the past 10 years of 1st overall picks:

Rick DiPietro - Overdrafted majorly by a mad man named Milbury but he kept the Islanders alive for parts of the season when he was healthy.

Ilya Kovalchuk - Dazzling offense but hasn't had a team really that was built around him. Has more than 1 PPG as well.

Rick Nash - Like Kovalchuk hasn't had a team but he's still a franchise player and any GM would want him on their team.

Marc-Andre Fleury - while slightly overdrafted like DiPi, he did win a cup.

Alexander Ovechkin - Need to say anymore?

Sidney Crosby - We know about this kid.

Erik Johnson - Looks like a special defenseman in St. Louis. Defensemen rarely get talked about but he looks good.

Patrick Kane - Mullet and playoffs. But this kid has exploded this year and looks to be a huge star in the league if not already.

Steven Stamkos - Won the Rocket Richard trophy like Nash (well shared it) but scored over 50 goals. Looks like the next big thing for Tampa Bay.

John Tavares - While he wasn't as flashy as Crosby, and will need time to develop but he has the potential.

Out of all of those, you can build your team around one of them like what Pittsburgh did, like Chicago, Washington has done with their 1st rounders.

Sure you can find good players in the late teens, twenties but I mean take this year;

Players picked 9th overall

Brett Krahn - bust
Tuomo Ruutu - top 6 winger (injuries derailed the early part of his career)
Petr Taticek - Bust
Dion Phaneuf - Top 3 defenseman (possibly franchise)
Ladislav Smid - Fringe defenseman (really, really hard to know if he'll ever make it)
Brian Lee - Top 6 defenseman (has struggled to really develop)
James Sheppard - Bust
Logan Coulture - Possibly top 6 forward (still developing)
Joshua Bailey - Top 6 forward (with Tavares getting the press, Bailey has quietly become a top prospect and a rising star in the league)
Jared Cowen - ??? (who knows)

But of all the players I would say Coulture, or Phaneuf you could possibly build a team around.

If we use one year to simply rebuild the team and the organization and grab a top winger in the top 3 of the draft or hell the top pick and then use that to build around, the pieces, I think this team would have a great future.

We have some of the pieces now. Koivu, Burns, Cuma, Scandella but we don't have the piece.

It's like a jigsaw puzzle and all you're looking for is the last corner piece. We have two of the four in Koivu and Burns. We possibly have another if Hackett develops right. But what you're missing is that fourth piece. And then it all comes together. Then you start putting in the missing pieces. Like what Chicago did.

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06-05-2010, 12:44 AM
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We are already in the middle of rebuilding IMO, unfortunately the team didn't quite suck enough to get a top 5 pick. The damn Eastern Conference is just too thin.

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We are already in the middle of rebuilding IMO, unfortunately the team didn't quite suck enough to get a top 5 pick. The damn Eastern Conference is just too thin.
LOL I know, Eastern Conference is too weak but I don't think we are rebuilding, simply retooling, which is different.

If we were rebuilding, Nolan would have been gone at the deadline. Period. Miettinen, Brunette, and Kobasew will be gone next year (and I only except one of them to be traded, possibly two at most).

We would also think of a way to unload guys like Backstrom. And not re-sign Zidlicky back for that insane amount of money.

We are retooling like the Flyers did.

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06-05-2010, 09:01 AM
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We are actually ok. If you ignore the first 20 games (learning new system) and the last 10 (we quit), we are playoff team in the western conference.

Our prospect pool sucks. But it's nothing that can't be fixed with a good draft this year (high 1st, high 2nd, another 2nd, high 3rd) and another solid draft next year.

Our blueline is very healthy. Good on the Wild. Good in the farm.

Our goalies are decent. Backstrom needs a better season. Khudobin needs to keep stepping up his game.

Our forwards need improvement, clearly. But if Bouchard retires/is on LTIR, we will have some good cap space to bring in at least one top-6 UFA forward.

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06-05-2010, 12:33 PM
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We are retooling like the Flyers did.
I'm glad to see someone pointed this out as there are other ways to become Stanley Cup contenders. What makes it even better is that three years ago, the Flyers and the Blackhawks were the worst and fifth-worst teams in the league and found different solutions (free agency and trades v. multiple high draft picks and smart trades) to become Stanley Cup contenders.

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06-05-2010, 02:32 PM
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We need a rebuild, not a tinkering. That means top-5 picks.

We had a glorious chance to start the rebuild this Spring, but the GM has already put a monkey wrench into the opportunity. He kept us in perpetual retool mode.

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06-05-2010, 03:37 PM
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I'm glad to see someone pointed this out as there are other ways to become Stanley Cup contenders. What makes it even better is that three years ago, the Flyers and the Blackhawks were the worst and fifth-worst teams in the league and found different solutions (free agency and trades v. multiple high draft picks and smart trades) to become Stanley Cup contenders.
I think though we are closer to the Blackhawks then the Flyers.

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I'm glad to see someone pointed this out as there are other ways to become Stanley Cup contenders. What makes it even better is that three years ago, the Flyers and the Blackhawks were the worst and fifth-worst teams in the league and found different solutions (free agency and trades v. multiple high draft picks and smart trades) to become Stanley Cup contenders.
The Wild don't have the luxury of assets in the minors that the Flyers had. The Wild are also hand cuffed to some bad deals that they can't get out of unlike the Flyers.

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I think though we are closer to the Blackhawks then the Flyers.
Yes, but the Flyers were not built on top-10 picks. Jeff Carter went 11 and Richards went 23. Giroux went 22. JVR and Pitkanen were their top-5 picks, have they been major pieces in their rebuild? Pikanen essentially became 1/4th of Pronger's return, while JVR has been scratched in these playoffs.

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The Wild don't have the luxury of assets in the minors that the Flyers had. The Wild are also hand cuffed to some bad deals that they can't get out of unlike the Flyers.
The Flyers had cap-space, signing Briere, Hartnell, and Timonen to big deals in 2007. As much as certain people want to think we have that kind of cap space, we don't, and that is thanks to DR.

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Before the Flyers had that awful season in 2006-07, they had already drafted Carter, Richards, Giroux, and more. We're not in that position.


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The Flyers had cap-space, signing Briere, Hartnell, and Timonen to big deals in 2007. As much as certain people want to think we have that kind of cap space, we don't, and that is thanks to DR.
No, that's now primarily thanks to Fletcher. He had the opportunity to come into this offseason with a load of cap space - the most since DR went shopping in July 2006. Fletch threw away that chance. We could easily be looking at 18 million of cap space if Fletch had not spent like a teenager during the season.

The only wound from DR now is Bouchard. It's CF's team now.

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No, that's now primarily thanks to Fletcher. He had the opportunity to come into this offseason with a load of cap space - the most since DR went shopping in July 2006. Fletch threw away that chance. We could easily be looking at 18 million of cap space if Fletch had not spent like a teenager during the season.

The only wound from DR now is Bouchard. It's CF's team now.
Really? Nick Schultz, Mark Parrish, and Niklas Backstrom are not wounds? News to me. Sure, the Barker/Kobasew moves weren't the brightest, but we're talking ~8.5M for 3 years of service between them left, nowhere near the lucrative deals DR signed the previously mentioned players for.

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