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The only assets that Washington possesses that can land Jason Spezza, in no particular order, are the #1 overall, Alexander Semin, Steve Eminger, and Shaone Morrisonn. I think one of those pieces would have to be in the deal.
A package could be assembled including one of those four, perhaps with Kolzig included as well, for some package including Spezza. Kolzig could certainly go to Ottawa this off-season, yet he won't be the centerpiece of a package for Spezza. To land a prospect that good, the Capitals would have to give up something very, very valuable.
I think that only one of those four assets fits that description, and even then Ottawa may not be interested in moving him. If I was Ottawa management, Spezza would be untouchable right now for anything other than a significant overpayment.
What Ottawa really needs right now is a young #1 center. What they need is Jason Spezza. Little reason to move him.
Kolzig is NOT going to return a first and a prospect... Maybe, maybe a first. Laich is not going to replace Spezza. Zubrus doesn't give anything Ottawa needs. This doesn't work.
Considering its pretty obvious what the Sens need....it will cost the Sens a ton to get a 1st string goalie
speaking of ridiculous, that's about how i see your post hossa. zubrus is useless when he's not scoring? wow...i couldn't disagree more. this guy is a heckuva player- great along the boards, big frame, strong skater, smart on the ice, and is beginning to put up some points.
if the sens want kolzig (which they should), they will have to give up:
young player (vermette?), lalime (makes sense to send him the other way), 2nd round pick. that'll get it done. but feel free to sign hasek if you wish...boy would that be a mistake.
Geeze sounds like the type of player the Sennies need. I think the proposal is one sided....it would cost the Sens more to get a Cup type winning goalie
They need some leadership and cup winning experience as well as a top line left winger. They also need a goalie.
Zubrus is neither.
Leadership and cup experience? Who gives you that? Brendan Shanahan comes to mind.
Both a good leader and a good goalie are hard to find these days. Shanahan fills the one spot. Does Kolzig really fill the other? Perhaps yes, but I'd rather have Jocelyn Thibault, myself.
Geeze sounds like the type of player the Sennies need. I think the proposal is one sided....it would cost the Sens more to get a Cup type winning goalie
Well, Belfour and Hasek are UFAs. Both have won a Cup. Kolzig has not.
And if you believe Kolzig would require more than Spezza to be had.....wow.
Ok. Zubrus is of virtually no interest. He's played seven years in the NHL now and has 91 goals in 539 games. That's pitiful for an "offensive" player. He's hardly useful when he's not scoring either, so he's of no interest.
Kolzig is the main piece coming Ottawa's way. He's a good goalie, but he won't get you anything close to Spezza. Laich doesn't help. I love the guy as a prospect, but he's hardly a difference maker. You could offer me a mid first round pick with this package instead of a 2nd, I wouldn't care.
If Ottawa wants Kolzig, they'll give up a second round pick for him. If that's not good enough, we'll sign Hasek or somebody like that. No need to give up a potential superstar and already a good scoring line player for an aging, expensive, inconsistent netminder.
Absolutely rediculous proposal bottom line.
Zubrus on the left wing with say, Hossa, I believe would put up 20 goals with ease. In a way, it's already looked like Zubrus has broken out, just the talent around him is so pitiful to the point that I'm not sure if he'll ever have good numbers in Washington.
I think this is an amazing trade for Ottawa, the only issue is Kolzig's salary. I'd say remove Laich and the conditional pick, and let Ottawa give back Lalime to Washington.
Zubrus on the left wing with say, Hossa, I believe would put up 20 goals with ease.
Crikey, i would hope so. If Van Allen can put up 12 goals next to Hossa that's the least we should expect from Zubrus.
However, so can Bonk. I'd say Zubrus is just a cheaper, less effective Bonk. No thanks.
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Originally Posted by Mizral
I think this is an amazing trade for Ottawa, the only issue is Kolzig's salary. I'd say remove Laich and the conditional pick, and let Ottawa give back Lalime to Washington.
Kolzig and Zubrus for Spezza and Lalime? Yeah right, that's insane.
And you're the same poster who wants the Canucks to trade a pick or spare parts, at a maximum, for Kolzig? Sheesh
Crikey, i would hope so. If Van Allen can put up 12 goals next to Hossa that's the least we should expect from Zubrus.
However, so can Bonk. I'd say Zubrus is just a cheaper, less effective Bonk. No thanks.
Kolzig and Zubrus for Spezza and Lalime? Yeah right, that's insane.
And you're the same poster who wants the Canucks to trade a pick or spare parts, at a maximum, for Kolzig? Sheesh
I would say Zubrus is more like a cheaper, less effective Marian Hossa actually.
That's because I don't think the Canucks could AFFORD Kolzig! Kolzig for Lalime is a pretty hefty upgrade. Perhaps if the Caps ate a bit of Kolzig's salary, this is the kind of deal that could work out well in the Senators favour.
Then again, I must admit I think pretty highly of Zubrus. If you don't, perhaps a deal such as Jason Spezza and Patrick Lalime for Danius Zubrus, Olaf Kolzig, & one of the non 1st overall 1st round picks from the Capitals?
I wasn't going to get into this (or the Chara trade idea which is equally silly) but my thoughts....
1. Ottawa is not in a "win or else" mode. The core is still very young. No need to ditch potential top 10 players for old timers.
2. The only player the Caps have that Ottawa would really want would be Kolzig. If you look at the Nolan trade, the Leetch trade, the Bondra trade, etc. - these older stars just don't command a Spezza type return. Even Gonchar didn't get a Spezza type return.
3. Because Ottawa wouldn't want anyone but Kolzig, there's no point in expanding a deal to get more from Ottawa. Ottawa doesn't need picks, prospects etc....just Kolzig.
4. For all the Sens fans that scream to get rid of Lalime at any price, there are others that see other problems that need to be fixed ahead of the goaltending. For me, agreeing that Lalime blew game 7 against Toronto, I worry about the grit. Ottawa did get shutout 3 times against Toronto. That is more of a problem for me.
Well, Belfour and Hasek are UFAs. Both have won a Cup. Kolzig has not.
And if you believe Kolzig would require more than Spezza to be had.....wow.
I'm willing to bet that Hasek will not play for Ottawa next season.Hell, he probably won't play at all.And if he did somehow sign with Ottawa, it would cost a pretty penny.
Then again, I must admit I think pretty highly of Zubrus. If you don't, perhaps a deal such as Jason Spezza and Patrick Lalime for Danius Zubrus, Olaf Kolzig, & one of the non 1st overall 1st round picks from the Capitals?
Spezza is a non-starter. Havlat goes before he does, and even then i'd say no dice.
I doubt the Sens would want to take a 6.5 million dollar hit to their overall team salary...I might be mistaken but that was the reason why the trade didnt go down between the Sens and Caps at the trade deadline
As for Zubrus, I dont see McPhee giving him up, he's thought pretty highly of by the organization...its been fustrating b/c last year was supposed to be his breakout year, that didnt happened and then at the start of this season he was supposed to finally breakout...the main thing with Zubrus has been that he's had serious injury problems and he just cant seem to be able to finish his scoring chances...but he is a helluva a two way player and can really dominate games for stretches at a time
Hasek has stated that he wants to play next season.
Thanks for this pearl of wisdom. Who knew?
He's a Muckler connection, if he does sign in Ottawa it should come as a surprise to nobody.
Then again, we know how much the opinion of somebody who claims Kalinin is better than Chara is worth.
Well for a guy who has watched Dominik for 8 years,I know his erratic sayings.He said he wanted to retire after 99-00.....guess he played 3 more years.But how would I know,I just watched him for his whole career.And if Hasek did play again,it will be for a big market team.
What I am saying is you are comparing apples and oranges. Could Lalime do as well on the Caps as Olie? No way!!!
You have to figure considerable advantage just playing for Ottawa's d for Olie. Joel Kwiatkowski was a frikkin 2nd pair dman for us! Geez man...
That's why Hossa used both SV% and historical stats to prove his point.
Joel Kwiatkowski hasn't been your 2nd pair D-man for 8 years.
Kolzig is flaky. His career is a continuous string of extreme seasons. I tried to ask Caps fans before... which goalie will we end up with next season? Good Kolzig or bad Kolzig?
Because, even when he had a decent defense... this guy seems as inconsistent as it gets.
Oh, sign me up on the Anti-Zubrus sens fan campaign as well. He had all kinds of talent to play with for years before the most recent trade deadline. He did nothing.
My offer for him is Patrick Poulin [which is only fitting ].
Zubrus is of no value to anyone other than Washington.
im not sure on this deal.
Zubrus has value, There were a lot of teams interested in him at the deadline. I think a move to center has added to his value becaues teams are always interested in a 6'4" pivot who is willing to hit and play in both zones. Look at what Colorado gave up to get Gratton.
Kolzig will require something to get him out of Washington. I think the Caps would have to package him with 1 or 2 decent prospects or mid round picks (or combination of the two) to get a good young player or a good prospect back, simular to what Pheonix did when they traded Burke and got Comrie.
All that being said the only way the Sens do this deal is if Spezza asks for a trade and vows never to play for the organization again, and that isn't going to happen. I don't see the Sens dealing Spezza.
I do think that the Sens will be players in the Kolzig sweepstakes if there is one. But I think a player that would be moved is Havlat, not Spezza.
Considering its pretty obvious what the Sens need....it will cost the Sens a ton to get a 1st string goalie
Finally someone that resides in Ottawa that has some sense >>> There is still some hope for you people north of the boarder >>>> Listen Ottawa fans to the voice of reason
And that my friends should bring this to a close. When Bigtrain makes his appearance you know the thread has become worthless.
How about this:
Washington can keep the amazing Zubrus and nobody in Ottawa will care. If Washington feels like eating a portion of Kolzig's salary to make room for their younger goalies then give us a call.
Otherwise we'll just have to make do with something off of one of the other 28 teams in the league.
And that my friends should bring this to a close. When Bigtrain makes his appearance you know the thread has become worthless.
How about this:
Washington can keep the amazing Zubrus and nobody in Ottawa will care. If Washington feels like eating a portion of Kolzig's salary to make room for their younger goalies then give us a call.
Otherwise we'll just have to make do with something off of one of the other 28 teams in the league.
Well another one crawles out from behind the wall >>>> If you had read that post it was about aquiring a # 1 goalie and what it would cost Ottawa >>>> But you of course cannot read >>> Go back behind that wall >>>>>> Trade with the other team and see if you get that # 1 goalie for that garbarge >>>>>>>
Ok, Sens fans didnt like the Kolzig proposals. How about this...
To Ottawa:
Olaf Kolzig
Dainus Zubrus
Brooks Laich
Their choice of Caps 2nd Rounders 2005 if Ottawa doesnt win a playoff series
To Caps:
Spezza
Benefits to ottawa-Pick up the best or one of the best available veteran goalaies. Pick up a solid winger who can play either side. Pick up Laich, who could be a #2 center or at least #3. Pick up an extra pick in case things dont work out.
Cost to Ottawa-Best player in the deal.
Benefits to caps-get legitimate #2 center and possibly a #1. Eliminate Kolzig's salary.
Cost: Write off 2005 in every way. Get rid of our best 2way wing and a hot prospect.
Ok Ottawa folks-fire away!
THE CAPS HAVE NO NEED TO RID THEMSELVES OF KOLZIGS CONTRACT. FOR WHAT YOU PURPOSE MORE THEN SPEZZA BETTER BE COMING BACK.....HE WONT GET YOU KOLZIG BY HIMSELF LET ALONE PICKS PROSPECTS & ZUBRUS!!! IF HE WAS SO VALUABLE WHY DIDNT HE PLAY IN GAME 7?
Well another one crawles out from behind the wall >>>> If you had read that post it was about aquiring a # 1 goalie and what it would cost Ottawa >>>> But you of course cannot read >>> Go back behind that wall >>>>>> Trade with the other team and see if you get that # 1 goalie for that garbarge >>>>>>>
Ignoring the personal attacks, are you saying Spezza is garbage?
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