Bingo. No one goes to the KHL because it's the best league in the world. If playing in the best league in the world isn't the primary motivation... good riddance.
I agree. But this is where Frolov becomes very interesting.
Does he seem like competition is the most important thing to him? Considering his up and down effort level, I'd say no.
Does money seem like the most important thing to him? He took a discount once to stay here. He seems to value lifestyle and location.
Frolov is an enigma all the way around, not just his play on the ice.
I feel like he will sign with the Red Wings or Minnesota.
The Wings because he would fit in well. Minnesota because I could see them giving him a big old chunk of change and let him play on the top line.
So would we like to keep him? Yes. But if the price is prohibitive, and maybe would prevent us from filling other holes and making sure we keep Doughty and Johnson and all these kids coming through, then you have to walk away. I think you’re probably right on Fro. He’s a good player. I guess at times, like you say, you think he’s capable of more, but he’s still a productive player. But you still now have to really be astute in how you attach a price tag to that, or you’re going to get yourself in trouble down the road, and then all this building we’ve done makes no sense if we can’t keep these young players that have come through our system. So I’m not too optimistic, given what he’s looking for.
I really don't see why people on this board think Lombardi put his foot in his mouth. I've read this interview 3 times now. You can insert any player in for Fro, and it would still apply. I don't think we should blame Lombardi for NOT being more like the Rangers GM, where money is no object for marginal players. Clearly, the Kings and Fro are far apart. That's an honest answer to the question. It's not like he told exactly what the Kings were offering or what Fro was demanding. I'd bet if you asked Fro's agent, he'd also say they were far apart. No big deal IMO.
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I feel like he will sign with the Red Wings or Minnesota.
The Wings because he would fit in well. Minnesota because I could see them giving him a big old chunk of change and let him play on the top line.
It all depends on how much he signs for if he stays in the NHL. If it's "too much", then people will be happy Dean let him walk. If it's not, then they won't.
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I really don't see why people on this board think Lombardi put his foot in his mouth.
That's because he didn't say anything that would hurt this negotiation at all.
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This one goes right into the DL shouldn't be allowed to speak to the media pile for me.
First he starts the season by bad mouthing Fro ruining any value that he might have had on the trade market. Then he moves him into a defence first position (which Frolov excelled at). Finally, he ruins any trade value the rights to Frolov might have had before the draft.
DL can draft with the best of them and has done a good job at finding talented players that other teams have over looked at times but he should simply never, not ever ever ever ever ever (ever ever?) be allowed to speak to the media.
What a stupid thing to do with a player that hasn't said or done anything to hurt the team.
This is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if DL shouldn't have remained one of the greatest scouts of all time.
When did the rights to anyone really mean anything?
It happens 1 in 100 FAs...I know Buowmeester went...but that contract was pretty much in place before the trade.
Here it comes, the DL kool-aid drinkers are already starting to trash Frolov, now he is greedy because he won't accept DL's probable lowball offer, where have we seen this before?
Lets not forget, Frolov signed a pretty damn fair deal a couple of years back, has never once complained or whined to the media despite being dicked around quite a bit by this coach the past couple of years.
His talents obviously didn't gel in this system, but there is absolutely zero reason to trash him, or call him greedy when no one has any idea how bad the contract offer could have been.
I personally wish Frolov all the best, I assume his cap hit will be replaced by another DL player, like Smyth, Williams, Stoll or Jones.
Bingo. No one goes to the KHL because it's the best league in the world. If playing in the best league in the world isn't the primary motivation... good riddance.
I think you're missing a major motivation - the KHL is in his homeland. If Frolov can make similar money to what he makes here, but be able to socialize with his friends and family in a culture that he was raised in and is probably most comfortable in, I can't see why he would turn it down.
Re: playing in the best league in the world - I wonder how many of us would pick up and leave our comfort zone for the chance to play in the best league in the world, especially if that league was in Uganda or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan....
It all depends on how much he signs for if he stays in the NHL. If it's "too much", then people will be happy Dean let him walk. If it's not, then they won't.
That's because he didn't say anything that would hurt this negotiation at all.
It doesn't really hurt negotiations but it just doesn't need to be said. It's strictly self serving.
first take, atleast Dean is being honest with fans but it will suck not havin Fro here.
and as usual many things start going through my head:
- don't think D.L or T.M were ever fans of Frolov
- does D.L think we have a shot at an upgrade (Kovalchuk)
- why does Frolov think he deserves more then he made last year
- are we geting away from the stupid board play and actually shoot at the net
- I will miss Frolov
- I won't miss Frolov
Any other player on the team I either want, or don't want! With Frolov its different, he is such an enigma he may put up 85 points a year in the roper system or he may continue regressing.
No matter what appens, Thanks for nearly a decade of loyalty, sacrifice, and giving us high hopes.
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There's so much BS in this thread, not sure where to start.
Fro has never taken a "hometown discount." So he doesn't have a history of it. His last deal was a decent one for both sides, but he was an RFA. He didn't take a hometown discount, he actually held out for a longer deal during negotiations. He wanted to be paid more and have more stability, probably due to some things that were going on in his personal life that don't merit discussion here. That last part was fact, this next part is about 30% speculation; he thought the deal he'd sign at age 28 would be his life-tract. It might be, but won't be as big as he hoped or where he had hoped.
I know the fans love Fro and his sheepish grin, but let's face it, he isn't nearly the player a lot of people make him out to be. Yes, he's had a couple of good seasons. The fact is he is now averaging about .70ppg over his career. He has never once been a ppg player. You can talk to me until your blue in the friggin face about all his "intangibles" his puck possession, defense, etc. If he isn't scoring, it's an indication his head isn't in the game. If he isn't scoring, he isn't doing those other things that make him an effective player either. The two teams that made the Stanley Cup Finals once again did it with guys with heart, drive, desire, passion, fire, whatever overused sports adjective you want to stamp on it. Fro's got none of that.
Fro's got one good thing going for him, and that's that no one plays a game quite like his in North America.
Fro's got a very bad thing going for him, and that's that no one plays a game quite like his in North America.
Thanks for your service, but it's a new era and at anything more than 2.75 per year (which the entire world knows you wont take) you arent part of it.
I'll miss the guy. Yeah, he was inconsistent - both in effort and production - but he's not a good fit for the current system and he certainly doesn't seem to be a favorite of Murray or Lombardi. I would still like Frolov to stay but anything more than $3 million/year isn't worth it at this point, not unless someone else like Stoll/Williams was dumped, given Fro's production in Murray's system.
I think he's going to Detroit and he'll be very successful there in helping to replace Holmstrom/Bertuzzi in their Top 9. If not Detroit, I'd look for the Rangers to make a play on him.
All the best to Fro.
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I think you're missing a major motivation - the KHL is in his homeland. If Frolov can make similar money to what he makes here, but be able to socialize with his friends and family in a culture that he was raised in and is probably most comfortable in, I can't see why he would turn it down.
Fro laid some pretty significant personal roots the moment he arrived in LA.
When did the rights to anyone really mean anything?
It happens 1 in 100 FAs...I know Buowmeester went...but that contract was pretty much in place before the trade.
They always mean something, even if at best they were a throw in on another deal, they at least had some perceived value until DL threw them away.
I also wonder if DL knows something more than we do regarding the possibility of an actual deal with the KHL. I would think that he does but other than a bunch of wind from the KHL as far as I know there hasn't been anything else reported.
The thing that burns me is that at some point, I think before this past season started, DL decided for whatever reasons that Frolov wasn't going to be a part of his teams long term plans.
That is fine with me as it is his team but to take a valuable asset and first talk a bunch of garbage about him (and allowing your coach to do the same driving down his value even further) and then try and prove him to be a player who's numbers are falling off by yanking him around and moving him from a top six role into a defencive position, which he excelled at and then to talk poorly of him while he still has some potential value is stupid to me.
Its not DL's first mistake and it won't likely be his last but this one is just stupid and really didn't need to happen like a few of his other major blunders.
I like DL and am happy that he is our GM, he is amazing at the draft table and has a knack for finding overlooked talent but he makes some dumb mistakes when it comes to player management at times.
By the way for all the armchairs complaining about the way Dean has been talking to the media...has there been a single deal that he's discussed publicly that hasn't worked out in the best interest of the Kings? The man's got a method. If this season and the present payroll status is any indication, he should be allowed to work that method.
but he makes some dumb mistakes when it comes to player management at times.
He's not going to overpay or more importantly over commit to a player with a track record of disappearing for weeks on end that hasn't ever hit the ppg mark and wants a significant raise.
Yeah. Sounds like a dumb mistake. Are you a fan of Fro or the Los Angeles Kings?
It doesn't really hurt negotiations but it just doesn't need to be said. It's strictly self serving.
How are his comments self serving? I found them to be generic. I bet all 30 GMs would say the same thing about any FA that isn't signed. "I like Player X. He is a good player. However, in the salary cap era, we cannot afford to overpay, otherwise it impacts the rest of the team. We are far apart on negotiations with Player X."
Boring...
He's not going to overpay or more importantly over commit to a player with a track record of disappearing for weeks on end that hasn't ever hit the ppg mark and wants a significant raise.
Yeah. Sounds like a dumb mistake. Are you a fan of Fro or the Los Angeles Kings?
I didn't say anything about what he should or shouldn't pay for Frolov, so your point is useless.
My point is that he the way he handled Frolov was stupid from the start of this past season on until today.
Here is a quote for you and your question is so truly ignorant that I wouldn't ever answer it, why bother.
What I actually said "The thing that burns me is that at some point, I think before this past season started, DL decided for whatever reasons that Frolov wasn't going to be a part of his teams long term plans. That is fine with me as it is his team."
Wether Frolov stayed on the team or not has nothing to do with the point of my post, my post was a response as to the perceived value of Frolov as an asset and how I think DL shot himself in the tail by first talking trash about him, then moving him to a position that he had no experience with and finally by talking down his value now.
There's so much BS in this thread, not sure where to start.
Fro has never taken a "hometown discount." So he doesn't have a history of it. .
Yeah he did. Taylor even commended Fro using those exact words. It's been discussed a million times here over the last 4 years. If you say otherwise then it's just your opinion. One that's not supported by the kings.
By the way for all the armchairs complaining about the way Dean has been talking to the media...has there been a single deal that he's discussed publicly that hasn't worked out in the best interest of the Kings? The man's got a method. If this season and the present payroll status is any indication, he should be allowed to work that method.
What method is that? Please tell me how it helps. Has it helped him win anything? Please tell me one positive thing that has come out of him opening his mouth? Just google his name and the top results are media outlets are him saying something he shouldn't. His wiki page discusses his bad dealings with players.
