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06-15-2010, 08:12 PM
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Article: Leafs' Front Office Mirrors Red Wings Formula

I found this Windsor Star article that compares the Leafs' front office with Detroit's. Given the great results out of Michigan this is obviously exciting to think about:

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Don't look now Leafs fans, but the Toronto front office is beginning to resemble a facsimile of the successful formula employed for years by the Wings.

Burke is Toronto's version of Ken Holland, and like Holland, sees the value in employing a deep roster of knowledgeable lieutenants.

Former Leafs GM Cliff Fletcher offers the same veteran savvy of a Jimmy Devellano, while Dave Nonis is Burke's Jim Nill.

Dave Poulin fills the roll that Steve Yzerman had until departing to take over as GM in Tampa Bay, while Loiselle, who previously served on Brian Lawton's staff with the Lightning, steps in to bring both hockey smarts, as well as the ability to know contracts and the collective bargaining agreement, thanks to his time working at the NHL offices in New York, as well as the law degree he earned at the behest of Burke.
http://www.windsorstar.com/sports/Lo...630/story.html

Of course some obvious differences are Detroit's braintrust seems to love Russian players while Toronto's seems to........ahem......be less so inclined. Also, Devellano built his teams in the early 80s based on scouting and the drafts, whereas Fletcher and Burke seem to be less excited about selecting 18 and 19 year olds.

Nonetheless, I think the significance of the point the writer is making should not be lost: when the decision making processes of two teams is so similar, like results should follow. Maybe 4 cups over the next 20 years and perennial division and conference championships are not that far behind, as unlikely as it might seem right now. The Red Wings were in just as miserable a state as the current Leaf teams when Devellano took over the Wings in 1982.

Come on Burke, stop talking just do it.

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This article is so true. The similarities are uncanny...both draft Europeans, both build through the draft, neither make stupid decisions on July 1st...

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This article is so true. The similarities are uncanny...both draft Europeans, both build through the draft, neither make stupid decisions on July 1st...
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Its funny because those are opposites! A-HA!
You're a smart little cookie aren't you .

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This article is so true. The similarities are uncanny...both draft Europeans, both build through the draft, neither make stupid decisions on July 1st...
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Its funny because those are opposites! A-HA!
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Yeah Burke hates draft picks so much that he only decided to draft Kadri 7th overall. I hope you realize that there is more to the draft then just 1st and 2nd rounders. Plus where are getting this Burke doesn't like Russian garbage? Because he doesn't want to overpay for someone who got a 1st line position by default and still couldn't get 40 points, or is it because he doesn't want to kill his cap by overpaying for 1 player?

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Yeah Burke hates draft picks so much that he only decided to draft Kadri 7th overall. I hope you realize that there is more to the draft then just 1st and 2nd rounders. Plus where are getting this Burke doesn't like Russian garbage? Because he doesn't want to overpay for someone who got a 1st line position by default and still couldn't get 40 points, or is it because he doesn't want to kill his cap by overpaying for 1 player?
his 11 year record as a nhl gm suggests burke has russian issues

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Yeah Burke hates draft picks so much that he only decided to draft Kadri 7th overall. I hope you realize that there is more to the draft then just 1st and 2nd rounders. Plus where are getting this Burke doesn't like Russian garbage? Because he doesn't want to overpay for someone who got a 1st line position by default and still couldn't get 40 points, or is it because he doesn't want to kill his cap by overpaying for 1 player?
Yep, that is right. When was the last time Detroit had a very high pick? Datsuyk and Zetterberg were both picked very late in the draft. They made the playoffs for 18 straight years and did not need very high draft picks at all. That's how I want the Leafs to be.

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his 11 year record as a nhl gm suggests burke has russian issues
You're wrong.

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Yep, that is right. When was the last time Detroit had a very high pick? Datsuyk and Zetterberg were both picked very late in the draft. They made the playoffs for 18 straight years and did not need very high draft picks at all. That's how I want the Leafs to be.
check their first round picks in the 80s they made every pick

different era though, 22 yr old ufa's werent dangling in your face back then

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one big difference the Toronto model is to make money for msle

Detroit wants cups

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No transfer agreement in place with the russian federation means fewer,and fewer will be drafted. Any team picking them risks flushing a pick down the drain.Why would he want to even think about it now anyway?

The way Burke likes to build a team just happens that russian players just do not come with the mosaic of intangables he requires. Free choice imo. I don't particularly like the package of intangables most russian trained players come with either unless they are pure snipers.

There are exceptions,but they still lack north american characteristics in their training. It is just that,nothing about the person or nationality!

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one big difference the Toronto model is to make money for msle

Detroit wants cups
Bull-oney

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one big difference the Toronto model is to make money for msle

Detroit wants cups
Yeah because winning cuos won't bring in revenue at all especially not in a market like Toronto .

Do you listen to yourself speak or is it all just air up there???

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I want our Drafting to mirror Detroit's.

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i think burke doesnt mean russians, but his style of game doesn't usually allow for russians really... so since he likes big tough goalscoring forwards and likes to have a power forward on each of his top two lines russians dont usually fit that bill. thats the way it is.

Ovechkin would be a guy that plays the game he loves... so obviously if he were available he wouldnt say no hes russian.

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Yeah because winning cuos won't bring in revenue at all especially not in a market like Toronto .

Do you listen to yourself speak or is it all just air up there???
you need stud forwards to win a cup

and you can only get them picking 1 or 2 at the top of a draft

the leafs don't have any

here are some studs from the past....


Toronto
Conacher, Primeau,Jackson Drillon, Horner, King Clancy

Toronto
Apps, Kennedy, Bentley, Pratt, Stanowski, Broda

Detroit
Abel Delvecchio Howe kelly lindsay Pronovost Sawchuk,

Montreal
M Richard Beliveau H Richard Moore Geoffrion Harvey Plante


Chicago

Hull Makita Litzenberger,Hay, Pilote Hall

Toronto
Keon, Armstrong,Mahovlich, Kelly, Pulford Horton, Stanley, Brewer,Baun, Bower

Boston
Orr Bucyk, Middleton Esposito Cheevers,

Philadelphia
Clarke Barber Holmgren, Leach MacLeish Van Impe Parent

Montreal
Lafleur Shutt Lemaire Cournoyer Gainey Savard Robinson Dryden

NY Islanders
Bossy Trottier Gillies Goring Nystrum Potvin Smith

Edmonton Oilers
Messier Gretzky kurri Anderson MacTavish Coffey Fhur

Pittsburgh Penguins
Lemieux Jag Francis Mullen Trottier Coffey Murphy Barasso

Colorado Avs
Sakic Forsberg Lemieux Deadmarsh Kamensky Drury Foote Blake Bourque krupp Roy


NJ Devils

Maclean Richer Guerin Lemieux Elias Gomez Arnott Rafalski Madden Niedermayer Stevens Brodeur

Detroit Red Wings
Yzerman Hull Shanahan Fedorov Larionov,Chelios Lidstrom Hasek

Detroit Red Wings
Datsyuk Zetterberg Holmstrom Franzen Rafalski Lidstrom Osgood

Pittsburgh Penguins
Crosby Malkin Guerin Staahl Gonchar Fleury

Chicago BlackHawks
Kane Towes Sharpe Hossa Kieth Seabrook

as u see our roster which is trying to improve to become steadily less mediocre b4 we peak and go as far as those players of a lesser pedigree age and bottom out thus tanking again


We simply cannot cut it in comparison to stanley cup winning teams of the past and thus will not win a cup till we tank properly and willingly not half heartlessly and 2 faced like our most recent tanking


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not really
Nope, 100% dead wrong.

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you need stud forwards to win a cup

and you can only get them picking 1 or 2 at the top of a draft

the leafs don't have any

here are some studs from the past....
While I somewhat agree with your broader point, you don't only find studs at #1 or #2. Did Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Weber, Zetterberg, Keith get drafted in those positions? The league's 6th leading scorer this past season was a waiver cast off. It's easier to find a stud at #1 or #2, finding them outside those picks is more difficult, but can and is done with proper investment in scouting. Losing and getting the #1 or #2 pick doesn't guarantee sucess; see Atlanta, Columbus, Florida, etc.

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you need stud forwards to win a cup

and you can only get them picking 1 or 2 at the top of a draft
After this you go on to list a huge list of players ...

I started to waste my time pointing out which ones were second, third and 6th and 7th round draft picks (IE even by your own admission you don't need to draft #1 or #2), but then I realized that you probably wouldn't appreciate the effort of me doing so and just retort with an effortless:

"So, L2draft then DURRR"

So you are hypocritical, hockey knowledge deprived and the saddest part of all is you don't even know it.

So I didn't.

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Nope, 100% dead wrong.
but i feel 110% right

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