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05-28-2010, 09:33 AM
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Well he's said that he wants to play in the NHL so if he wants 3mill and to stay in the NHL some other team can sign him to an offersheet. Ill be happy with the first and 3rd rounder, even though losing him would suck.

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05-28-2010, 09:37 AM
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why would a team with cap issues trade for a player that is asking for more then what he is worth? If Kulemin and Staal are getting paid relatively the same the Pens are staying with Staal
Staal will be worth far more in coming years. Tough to keep a potential first line centre on the third line forver. Just my opinion.

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05-28-2010, 09:59 AM
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Staal will be worth far more in coming years. Tough to keep a potential first line centre on the third line forver. Just my opinion.
Staal has shown little potential to earn himself a spot on the first line.

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05-28-2010, 10:01 AM
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Staal has shown little potential to earn himself a spot on the first line.
Huh? Just looking at stats again? Staal is a fantastic player.

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05-28-2010, 10:03 AM
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Ruh roh.
Ruh roh indeed.

I think it'll get done, though. Kulemin wants $3 million, Burke probably wants to pay about $2 million. I think they'll end up meeting somewhere in the middle. Would be nice if we could buy out the first year or two of his UFA rights. When is that?

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05-28-2010, 10:06 AM
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Huh? Just looking at stats again? Staal is a fantastic player.
Yes, I'm only looking at stats.

Staal will be a fine second liner on another team, similar to Kesler.

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05-28-2010, 10:07 AM
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The problem I can see, is what is going to happen, next off season, when Stalberg
(@ 20g), Schenn and Gunnarsson come-a-calling.

I can see why Burke is negotiating to get the price down. Hanson and Mitchell have
to be qualified too.

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05-28-2010, 10:10 AM
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my worst fear has come true

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05-28-2010, 10:16 AM
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The problem I can see, is what is going to happen, next off season, when Stalberg
(@ 20g), Schenn and Gunnarsson come-a-calling.

I can see why Burke is negotiating to get the price down. Hanson and Mitchell have
to be qualified too.
That sounds like a nightmare

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05-28-2010, 10:17 AM
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$3M is too high.
$2.3mil should be the max, which would be the same as ryan callahan.

Even david backes only makes $2.5mil.
exactly, now i truly believe Kully will be worth 3mil someday, just not at the moment.

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05-28-2010, 10:18 AM
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That sounds like a nightmare
no way, none of those guys are in the *high price* range.

We are fine cap wise

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05-28-2010, 10:19 AM
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The thing is he's not that good a player yet! 36 pts is nothing to brag about when your playing with Kessel and a Bozak.

His "potential" is only based on his age. Just because he's young, it doesn't mean he should get paid what like what he seems he might become.
Except he wasn't playing with Bozak and Kessel all season - Wilson had him up-and-down the lineup playing everyone. When he finally was put with Bozak and Kessel he put up good points. He scored some timely goals as well - I think he was in on two OT winners?

3 million seems like a bit much but I'd give it to him over maybe the next two years. If he continues to improve, the contract is justified and he can earn more on the next one. If not, you either renegotiate after the two seasons or let him walk. The guy may be overpaid by 500- or 750-thousand but I don't think that's enough to let him walk this early in his career.

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05-28-2010, 10:20 AM
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exactly, now i truly believe Kully will be worth 3mil someday, just not at the moment.
That's right. KHL will give him that kind of money. So he has to decide between KHL and NHL. I wouldn't be surprised if he picks KHL for a year.

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05-28-2010, 10:24 AM
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no doubt he will be signed between 2.75 to 3 mill for 4 to 5 years.

don't panic people.

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05-28-2010, 10:27 AM
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[QUOTE=81Leafs50;26033622]no doubt he will be signed between 2.75 to 3 mill for 4 to 5 years.
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...and then traded, with all the youngsters on the team you can't be setting that kind of precedent.


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no doubt he will be signed between 2.75 to 3 mill for 4 to 5 years.
...and then traded, with all the youngsters on the team you can't be setting that kind of precedent.
what kind of precedent?

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05-28-2010, 10:34 AM
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Huh? Just looking at stats again? Staal is a fantastic player.
He is when it comes to the defensive aspect of the game. But let's get real here - it's not like he's playing third-line minutes, the guy plays as much as Crosby and Malkin do. He also plays with them occasionally. I'd love to have Staal on my team but I don't think he's a first-line center. He's a second-liner. He's had four years now and he's proven that he's a 40-50 point player who can likely score over 20 a season - those are second-line statistics.

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05-28-2010, 10:34 AM
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what kind of precedent?
Overpayment, as has already been stated

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RFA players with similar point production have signed for less in past years

Brandon Dubinsky/41 PTS 2 years at 1.8M
LaRose/31 PTS 2 years at 1.7M
and callahan/40 PTS 2 years 2.3 M

We cant overpay him just because he threatens to go to the KHL
$3million is too much and it can cripple a team to over pay a million here a million there in the cap world.

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The problem I can see, is what is going to happen, next off season, when Stalberg
(@ 20g), Schenn and Gunnarsson come-a-calling.

I can see why Burke is negotiating to get the price down. Hanson and Mitchell have
to be qualified too.
Schenn's cap hit is already 2.925, it won't go much higher than that if at all.

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Guy has a point. If we start signing all these young guys on potential then will be in cap hell. They are not Kane, Toews, Richards or Staals. They are good NHL'ers but not premium young players. Just can't throw money around. 2.5mill would be a fair deal.

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He is when it comes to the defensive aspect of the game. But let's get real here - it's not like he's playing third-line minutes, the guy plays as much as Crosby and Malkin do. He also plays with them occasionally. I'd love to have Staal on my team but I don't think he's a first-line center. He's a second-liner. He's had four years now and he's proven that he's a 40-50 point player who can likely score over 20 a season - those are second-line statistics.
, I humbly apologize for bringing this subject up.

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That sounds like a nightmare
I don't think it's as bad as it sounds. Giguere's six-million-dollar contract comes off the books; Finger and Grabovski only have one year remaining and could easily be bought out; Schenn and Bozak already make around three million or more and I can see Schenn taking a bit less money for a non-bonus-laden contract. Kaberle might also not be here either.

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He is when it comes to the defensive aspect of the game. But let's get real here - it's not like he's playing third-line minutes, the guy plays as much as Crosby and Malkin do. He also plays with them occasionally. I'd love to have Staal on my team but I don't think he's a first-line center. He's a second-liner. He's had four years now and he's proven that he's a 40-50 point player who can likely score over 20 a season - those are second-line statistics.
A lot of those minutes are PK. If he only becomes a second line centre with TO. He would be our best 2nd line centre in a long time. Quality player that will help come playoff time.

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05-28-2010, 10:43 AM
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RFA players with similar point production have signed for less in past years

Brandon Dubinsky/41 PTS 2 years at 1.8M
LaRose/31 PTS 2 years at 1.7M
and callahan/40 PTS 2 years 2.3 M

We cant overpay him just because he threatens to go to the KHL
he never once said he wants to go to the KHL. Will people stop saying that!! He will just sign with another NHL team. There are 29 others!

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Kulemin's reputation is exceeding his actual performance. He's a decent hockey player with potential, but he isn't worth anything close to 3 million at this point. He's not great defensively, he's simply capable. He works hard, but he isn't a fantastic grinder. He has shown some offensive abilities, but hasn't produced. Kulemin doesn't have anything that truly stands out beyond his stats. He isn't a good fighter, he isn't a defensive specialist, he isn't a physical force and he isn't a leader. $2.5 is an overpayment, he should come in at $2 mill or less if he's getting market value.
This sums it up quite nicely.

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