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05-29-2010, 01:13 AM
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I am with you on this. I would like him in the starting line up come October 7th against the Habs. I guess all we can do is wait and see how BB spends all of our money.

Im sure there will be added players to the roster this summer via trade/ufa market. I just hope he does not overspend on something we don't need.
I hope to hell we don't overpay for an Armstrong/Lombardi type player. It would be too easy.

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I didn't know you were the GM of 9 teams. Lets not forget Belak is the Montreal GM
You do know I was sarcastic, right...

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You do know I was sarcastic, right...

I was making a point, nice rebuttal...

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There's no rush. Wait until after July 1st before caving into his demands.
whats the point of that. Other teams can send offer sheets, which will make kulemin to demand even more..........

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05-29-2010, 10:13 AM
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whats the point of that. Other teams can send offer sheets, which will make kulemin to demand even more..........
Well, he is RFA, so we could match the offers or recoup picks. Not saying it's ideal, but it's better than him bolting to the KHL for nothing.

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05-29-2010, 10:20 AM
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Noooo I thought he was different, oh well now I see why Burke wants NA players.

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05-29-2010, 10:23 AM
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Noooo I thought he was different, oh well now I see why Burke wants NA players.
How much is the player doing this and how much is the agent? Matt Stajan had a contract dispute before with us, it's not just European players.

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Noooo I thought he was different, oh well now I see why Burke wants NA players.
Eassssssy there, haha. It has nothing to do with him being Russian.

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05-29-2010, 10:39 AM
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Noooo I thought he was different, oh well now I see why Burke wants NA players.
Remember when Burke had a dispute with Dominic Moore?

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05-29-2010, 10:47 AM
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Noooo I thought he was different, oh well now I see why Burke wants NA players.
Hmmmmmmmm, Burke traded for Kessel who was having a salary dispute with Boston. Not exactly sure but I believe Kessel is a NA player.

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05-29-2010, 10:49 AM
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It's funny seeing so many people talk about the cap hit and none talking about length......the cap hit the Leafs should be willing to give shoudl be directly tied to length.

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Hmmmmmmmm, Burke traded for Kessel who was having a salary dispute with Boston. Not exactly sure but I believe Kessel is a NA player.
Kessel is small and soft.
Kessel has a poor work ethic.
Kessel has a bad attitude.
Kessel refused to sign a contract that his GM thought he was worth.

Sounds like a Burke type player.

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05-29-2010, 11:02 AM
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It's funny seeing so many people talk about the cap hit and none talking about length......the cap hit the Leafs should be willing to give shoudl be directly tied to length.
Kulemin will be turning 24 in July and UFA age is 27 as per the CBA.

So this will in fact be an important situation to consider in his contract term length.

Gustavsson 25 took a 2 year deal, which means that he will be a UFA at its conclusion.. The Leafs didn't buy away any UFA years as that would have increased his Cap hit as that would have been the most expensive year of his contract.

Kulemin himself might consider a deal that makes him a UFA at its end, as that its usually when players reach that status that they get the big money $$$ on the open market if they deserve it.

The other option that I think is high likely is a 1 year deal for what Burke is willing to pay now based on his current performance. Then its up to Kulemin to PROVE IT and if he has a break out season statistically his next contract will reflect that. However this will likely cost one side or the other money, because if Kulemin does have that break out season then it would have been wiser to give Kully a little more $$ now on a longer deal and get him signed for a bargain later on.

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It's called playing hard-ball, his agent is trying to get the best he can for his player and himself. Kuluie already said he doesn't want to go to the KHL


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05-29-2010, 11:14 AM
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Remember when Burke had a dispute with Dominic Moore?
Yeah but kule is our draft pick, a fairly young player, not a journeyman.

Both Moore and Kessel are still in the NHL, neither threatened to go to the KHL. That's what I'm reffering to.

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05-29-2010, 11:24 AM
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Kulemin will be turning 24 in July and UFA age is 27 as per the CBA.

So this will in fact be an important situation to consider in his contract term length.

Gustavsson 25 took a 2 year deal, which means that he will be a UFA at its conclusion.. The Leafs didn't buy away any UFA years as that would have increased his Cap hit as that would have been the most expensive year of his contract.

Kulemin himself might consider a deal that makes him a UFA at its end, as that its usually when players reach that status that they get the big money $$$ on the open market if they deserve it.

The other option that I think is high likely is a 1 year deal for what Burke is willing to pay now based on his current performance. Then its up to Kulemin to PROVE IT and if he has a break out season statistically his next contract will reflect that. However this will likely cost one side or the other money, because if Kulemin does have that break out season then it would have been wiser to give Kully a little more $$ now on a longer deal and get him signed for a bargain later on.
There's more to it than UFA age...it's all about paying for potential.

Ask yourself this, what's a realistic dollar value for Kulemin's performance next year and next year only.... $1.75million?? If he wants a 1-year deal then that's the price we should be willing to pay.

What's a realistic dollar value for his performance in 2011-2012 based on waht we know right now? $2.25? So give him a 2-year $4million deal. You can extend the same throught process to 3 years....4 years... The Leafs should have no problem paying for potential today, but it's gotta be a fair valuation.

From my perspective, I wish he had 4 years left to UFA, as a 3 year deal at $2.25 (1.75-2.25-2.75) would be perfect. You could front-load it to increase his effective annual income. This would also put him nicely in between Kessel and Gustavsson for contract years.

With 3 years, there's no obvious correct term....but I don't tihnk you can go wrong at 2years (1.75+2.25), 3 years (1.75+2.25+2.75) or 4 years (1.75+2.25+2.75+3.25).

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05-29-2010, 11:27 AM
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The good thing about this is I trust that Burke will do the right thing. It's great to be able to have faith in our GM.

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05-29-2010, 01:37 PM
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If they can pay Finger what he's getting, roll out the wheelbarrow for Kulemin.

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Yeah but kule is our draft pick, a fairly young player, not a journeyman.

Both Moore and Kessel are still in the NHL, neither threatened to go to the KHL. That's what I'm reffering to.
When has Kulemin threatened to go to the KHL? Didn't he just have an interview in the Russian press where he stated he had no intention of returning to Russia?

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05-29-2010, 02:46 PM
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I think that its a reasonable assumption to make that the longer this stalemate continues the greater the odds Burke gets fete up, angry, and deals Kulemin away.

Kulemin to NJ for David Clarkson also a pending RFA, as both teams exchange contract squabbles.

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I think that its a reasonable assumption to make that the longer this stalemate continues the greater the odds Burke gets fete up, angry, and deals Kulemin away.

Kulemin to NJ for David Clarkson also a pending RFA, as both teams exchange contract squabbles.
That would be pretty bad for Toronto. They need the offensive upside that Kulemin brings this year.

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I think Kulemin has more value than Clarkson but I can see that happening.

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That would be pretty bad for Toronto. They need the offensive upside that Kulemin brings this year.
Were you aware that Clarkson last season recorded;

2009-10 - New Jersey Devils - NHL - 46 games 11-13-24 points & 85 pims (=82 games 20-23-46 points & 152 pims)

Note the 46 games played only

The previous season he already put of Kulemin numbers of last season.

2008-09 - New Jersey Devils - NHL - 82 games 17-15-32 points & 164 Pims

verses Kulemin

2009-10 - Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL - 78 games 16-20-36 points & 16 pims.

Clarkson : http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=62180

Kulemin : http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=95387

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Were you aware that Clarkson last season recorded;

2009-10 - New Jersey Devils - NHL - 46 games 11-13-24 points & 85 pims (=82 games 20-23-46 points & 152 pims)

Note the 46 games played only

The previous season he already put of Kulemin numbers of last season.

2008-09 - New Jersey Devils - NHL - 82 games 17-15-32 points & 164 Pims

verses Kulemin

2009-10 - Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL - 78 games 16-20-36 points & 16 pims.

Clarkson : http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=62180

Kulemin : http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=95387
There is a key word that you missed in my post, upside. Clarkson has played 216 games over 3 full seasons and problably isn't going to get much better offensively. Kulemin is 2 years younger and has only played 151 games over 2 full seasons. He has more room to grow offensively and we're going to need that if we want to be succcessful in the near future.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to add Clarkson, but not in the context of trading Kulemin.

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I think that its a reasonable assumption to make that the longer this stalemate continues the greater the odds Burke gets fete up, angry, and deals Kulemin away.

Kulemin to NJ for David Clarkson also a pending RFA, as both teams exchange contract squabbles.
I'd be fine with that. Neither really deserve 3M, but it seems a fair trade.

Isn't Clarkson's game a little more rugged too?

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