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06-01-2010, 09:31 AM
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I think Vinny is still a superstar in this league and played injured last year,if he gets healthy is a top 10 player in the league.Now with that being said it's a horrible contract and we simply can't invest that much it doesn't make sense

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Lecavalier has over 50 assists in his two best seasons, I think he's certainly able to pass the puck. Of course he's not as good as Gomez, but it's not like he's uncapable.

Also, as a scoring centre, he'll take more shots on net than Gomez does, which generates rebounds for goal scorers like Gionta. And the fact that he's huge and goes to the net will make it harder for goalies to stop our scorers.

So there are other ways to help scoring wingers than being a good playmaker.
This is not about dismissing Lecavalier's potential. If there was a way to fit him in without losing Gomez, I might be all for it. But replacing Gomez with Lecavalier, considering what our needs are, I don't see how it would benefit the team.

First of all, you've just spent a year building on a team spirit and you're taking away a big part of it. Second, this team needs a couple of wingers who can score but you're replacing Gomez with Lecavalier. As I said, Gomez doesn't have the same scoring touch but Vinnie is not going to be the one carrying the puck from one end to the other a few times in a game.

As for Gionta's possible chemistry with Lecavalier, it may very well be. But why would you try something new hoping it's going to work when you already know you got a good connection between Gomez and Gionta?

I feel the same way about Plekanec vs Marleau. If Plek already had a contract, I would be against the idea of replacing him with Marleau.

In the end, I feel we're addressing an old issue that's been pretty much resolved when we have other needs to be fulfilled.

I'll add this much: considering the number of complaints from reporters and fans towards Scott Gomez production in relevance to his contract, how long do you think it's going to take before we get on Lecavalier's back? That's $7.7M for 10 years.

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06-01-2010, 09:58 AM
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I think Vinny is still a superstar in this league and played injured last year,if he gets healthy is a top 10 player in the league.Now with that being said it's a horrible contract and we simply can't invest that much it doesn't make sense
If Vinny showed up in Montreal, did an interview with the local media and said, "Tampa doesn't want me anymore, I'd love to play in Montreal" do you think the Molson family or our gm is going to turn down his trade request ?

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06-01-2010, 10:09 AM
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If Vinny showed up in Montreal, did an interview with the local media and said, "Tampa doesn't want me anymore, I'd love to play in Montreal" do you think the Molson family or our gm is going to turn down his trade request ?
Well it will all depend on cap space,if he doesn't fit under our cap he could wanna play here all he wants it's not going to happen

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No thanks, Kovalchuk please.

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No thanks, Kovalchuk please.
Love to see it, the guy can score.....but....

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06-01-2010, 11:12 AM
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This is not about dismissing Lecavalier's potential. If there was a way to fit him in without losing Gomez, I might be all for it. But replacing Gomez with Lecavalier, considering what our needs are, I don't see how it would benefit the team.

First of all, you've just spent a year building on a team spirit and you're taking away a big part of it. Second, this team needs a couple of wingers who can score but you're replacing Gomez with Lecavalier. As I said, Gomez doesn't have the same scoring touch but Vinnie is not going to be the one carrying the puck from one end to the other a few times in a game.

As for Gionta's possible chemistry with Lecavalier, it may very well be. But why would you try something new hoping it's going to work when you already know you got a good connection between Gomez and Gionta?

I feel the same way about Plekanec vs Marleau. If Plek already had a contract, I would be against the idea of replacing him with Marleau.

In the end, I feel we're addressing an old issue that's been pretty much resolved when we have other needs to be fulfilled.

I'll add this much: considering the number of complaints from reporters and fans towards Scott Gomez production in relevance to his contract, how long do you think it's going to take before we get on Lecavalier's back? That's $7.7M for 10 years.
Now you've got me drooling over the idea of having Gomez and Lecavalier!

Like I said before, I'm not advocating trading Gomez for Lecavalier. What i'm trying to say is:
A) Lecavalier is marginally to significantly better than Gomez and Plekanec, specificallty in the goal scoring department (something we need, regardless of where in the lineup we get it)
B) Lecavalier can indeed play a decent 2 way game
C) Lecavalier would work with Gionta

I completely agree with you that trading Gomez would be a huge blow to team chemistry, especially after all the work it appears the team did to get their act together. This is something that definitely needs to be considered when contemplating trading away or acquiring major players.

I do feel though like there might be an opportunity here with Lecavalier to acquire a very good player for a fraction of what he would normally cost. I also don't think, for reasons I mentioned earlier, that we should be too hung up on his contract (or what the fans think of it). It all depends on what Tampa would want, and what we can fit under the cap.

Now, shall we speculate on how we can get Lecavalier under the cap without trading Gomez?
I figure, if Plekanec is gone, simply shipping off Hamrlik should be enough? Especially considering there would be players going the other way. It's really too bad NHL teams never do sign and trades!

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06-01-2010, 11:13 AM
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Why? It doesn't make us any better because someone speaks a particular language.

We had 11 francophones on the team last year and got swept the first round. We had 3 this year and made it to the conference finals for the first time in 17 years.

I'm all in favor of having francophone players, but let's get some that don't hurt our team in the long-run like Lecavalier would.
Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when majoritarily build with French Canadians as key players on the ice....

My two cents!

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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when majoritarily build with French Canadians as key players on the ice....

My two cents!
So you think the language the players spoke made more of a difference than their skill level?

LOL...the disturbing part is people actually BELIEVE things like this make an actual difference.

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06-01-2010, 11:28 AM
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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when majoritarily build with French Canadians as key players on the ice....

My two cents!
in the words of Benoit Brunet ......WOW!!! Ayoye!!

well there you have it, wanna win a cup folks? Vinny The Cav is our answer.. who wuda thought it was that simple?!

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So you think the language the players spoke made more of a difference than their skill level?

LOL...the disturbing part is people actually BELIEVE things like this make an actual difference.
Yeah it's weird. Didn't Lapresse print something last year that there was no statidtical correlation between the two??

Anyway, plenty of teams have won, some repeatedly, without a majority of french speaking players.

Of course it's desirable to have more on our team, but I think the responsibility lies more on the french canadian players themselves to come and defend the CH's colours. For some reason that's just how I've always seen the whole situation. I think it's hard enough for a team to build a winner that it would ridiculous to add restrictions to the process.

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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when majoritarily build with French Canadians as key players on the ice....

My two cents!
Well your two cents doesn't worth a penny!

We are in 2010 now, with 30 teams and less french canadians. It cannot be in the 60's or 70's anymore. And now, french canadians doesn't give a **** about the Montreal Canadiens.

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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when majoritarily build with French Canadians as key players on the ice....

My two cents!
Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when they automatically had the rights on any player born in Quebec, and could therefore build teamw with the likes of Cournoyer, the Richard brothers, Beliveau, Lafleur, Savard, Lapointe, Geoffrion, Bouchard, Plante, etc. And it had nothing to do with language or nationality, it had to do with talent. When you have first dibs on any player ranging from a specific territory (whether it's Qc, Ontario, BC), you will get a kick ass team, especially when there's only 6, 10 or 12 teams in the entire league. Correlation does NOT imply causation...

People like you give Quebecois a bad rep everywhere...

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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when they automatically had the rights on any player born in Quebec, and could therefore build teamw with the likes of Cournoyer, the Richard brothers, Beliveau, Lafleur, Savard, Lapointe, Geoffrion, Bouchard, Plante, etc. And it had nothing to do with language or nationality, it had to do with talent. When you have first dibs on any player ranging from a specific territory (whether it's Qc, Ontario, BC), you will get a kick ass team, especially when there's only 6, 10 or 12 teams in the entire league. Correlation does NOT imply causation...

People like you give Quebecois a bad rep everywhere...
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Now you've got me drooling over the idea of having Gomez and Lecavalier!

Like I said before, I'm not advocating trading Gomez for Lecavalier. What i'm trying to say is:
A) Lecavalier is marginally to significantly better than Gomez and Plekanec, specificallty in the goal scoring department (something we need, regardless of where in the lineup we get it)
B) Lecavalier can indeed play a decent 2 way game
C) Lecavalier would work with Gionta

I completely agree with you that trading Gomez would be a huge blow to team chemistry, especially after all the work it appears the team did to get their act together. This is something that definitely needs to be considered when contemplating trading away or acquiring major players.

I do feel though like there might be an opportunity here with Lecavalier to acquire a very good player for a fraction of what he would normally cost. I also don't think, for reasons I mentioned earlier, that we should be too hung up on his contract (or what the fans think of it). It all depends on what Tampa would want, and what we can fit under the cap.

Now, shall we speculate on how we can get Lecavalier under the cap without trading Gomez?
I figure, if Plekanec is gone, simply shipping off Hamrlik should be enough? Especially considering there would be players going the other way. It's really too bad NHL teams never do sign and trades!
If we traded Lecavalier for Plekanec's rights and Spacek we should be able to manage the cap issue fine although we may have to buy out Hamrlik or trade either AK or Cammalleri to make it work. The extra $2 million cap space for next year makes it a lot easier to fit everything in.

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How much we spent on goaltending would be the big question mark and whether we brought both goalies back would to a large extent, determine how much cutting we would have to do elsewhere to make Vinnie's contact fit in.


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Love to see it, the guy can score.....but....
No buts, Gauthier needs to make a push for him, if the rumors where true that Gainey tried to acquire him before the Devils then our push in the playoffs would make us more attractive.

Now....we need to shed some salary, which will be tough but can be done. Besides if people are thinking of ways to fit Lecavalier, then surely Kovalchuk can fit.

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No buts, Gauthier needs to make a push for him, if the rumors where true that Gainey tried to acquire him before the Devils then our push in the playoffs would make us more attractive.

Now....we need to shed some salary, which will be tough but can be done. Besides if people are thinking of ways to fit Lecavalier, then surely Kovalchuk can fit.
Totally agree with this, Kovalchuk would be a much better addition to our team and would cost just as much. Salary can be moved or dumped, heck, even sent to the minors in case of extreme necessity. But a healthy player of that caliber won't be available every year.

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Actually you are wrong! This team has historically performed at a much higher level when they automatically had the rights on any player born in Quebec, and could therefore build teamw with the likes of Cournoyer, the Richard brothers, Beliveau, Lafleur, Savard, Lapointe, Geoffrion, Bouchard, Plante, etc. And it had nothing to do with language or nationality, it had to do with talent. When you have first dibs on any player ranging from a specific territory (whether it's Qc, Ontario, BC), you will get a kick ass team, especially when there's only 6, 10 or 12 teams in the entire league. Correlation does NOT imply causation...

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Fortunately this never happened. That quebec rule is so grossly misunderstood. The only players we ever got from that deal were Houle and Plasse.

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I don't think Vinnie or Kovalchuk are guys that will be worth their contracts given how much they would cost. Kovalchuk is too easy to stop at playoff time and Vinnie is not productive enough to justify taking that big a contract.

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I wanted Vinny at one time but his contract is pornographic and his best years are behind him.

However, I wouldn't mind working a deal that brings Marty St. Louis to Montreal for the final year of a contract that pays $4M. He's great on the power play and would score at least 80 points if he's healthy.

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No thanks, Kovalchuk please.
I'm very doubtfull about Kovalchuk's desire to play in NHL again. He can afford a big juicy contract in KHL, in his own country, and he's a lot different from Ovechkin. Ovie love the show, love the game, Kovy is the typical russian player. Plus he wants to play in a team who could win the cup right now. So goodbye Montreal, it will never happen.

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Yeah it's weird. Didn't Lapresse print something last year that there was no statidtical correlation between the two??
Anyway, plenty of teams have won, some repeatedly, without a majority of french speaking players.

Of course it's desirable to have more on our team, but I think the responsibility lies more on the french canadian players themselves to come and defend the CH's colours. For some reason that's just how I've always seen the whole situation. I think it's hard enough for a team to build a winner that it would ridiculous to add restrictions to the process.
Of course there isn't...how could ANYONE make a statistical correlation between on-ice performace and the language a player speaks. One doesn't affect the other, it's not like being able to speak french can somehow improve your capacity to play hockey LMAO (not laughing at you, just people who actually think this makes a difference)

Absolutely ridiculous

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God, can't believe im saying this, but if there's a package to take hamrlik+Gomez..then i'd consider it.

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