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06-01-2010, 04:23 PM
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If we trade down and gain an extra first rounder, I'd be all over trading one of the firsts + Clark/Commodore for Kaberle.

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I should have been clearer

Please god no Kaberle, at the expense of the 4th overall pick. I'm fine with trading players or other picks for him, but this team needs a stud prospect defenseman that we can look at in the future saying "There is our next guy." One year of Kaberle does not do it. I would take Kaberle no doubt. But for the 4th overall pick? No shot in hell.
i'd be fine with our 2nd rd pick, a roster player and a mid prospect....even though the salary doesn't work for us, i liked the post that someone said of our 2nd rd, kevin lynch, and a conditional pick...i'd be all over either that...

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If we trade down and gain an extra first rounder, I'd be all over trading one of the firsts + Clark/Commodore for Kaberle.
serves me for not reading all the way thru...i approve of this as well....

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06-01-2010, 05:08 PM
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If we trade down and gain an extra first rounder, I'd be all over trading one of the firsts + Clark/Commodore for Kaberle.
I think Kaberle can be had without giving up the first. If we chose to trade for him. I would only trade a first as part of a package for a player LIKE Spezza.

I would much rather trade a prospect and a 2nd, etc than a first for Kaberle.


To TOR:
2nd, Commodore/Klesla, and a prospect (a future 2nd/3rd/etc.... if we sign Kaberle to an extension)

To CLB:
Kaberle


I would take Kaberle and Gormley/Gudbranson/Fowler over the 2nd, Commodore/Klesla, and a prospect.

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06-01-2010, 05:20 PM
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I think Kaberle can be had without giving up the first. If we chose to trade for him. I would only trade a first as part of a package for a player LIKE Spezza.

I would much rather trade a prospect and a 2nd, etc than a first for Kaberle.
I don't know about less than a first. But someone raised the idea of a conditional first in next year's draft which is (1) less deep than this year's and (2) a draft in which we hope to not be drafting in the top 5. Burke also does not presently have a first round pick in that draft.

Burke could use a forward moreso than a defenseman right now. So, let's say we trade Huselius and a conditional first rounder in next year's draft for Kaberle--conditioned upon him signing an extension, if he doesn't the pick is later in the draft. Burke gets a forward who can contribute immediately and gets back into next year's first round.

We still have the #4 pick. We trade that pick and Brassard for Spezza while also requiring Ottawa to take salary from us. Tyutin would seem the logical choice since there is no way they want Commodore again.

Total effect on our cap--we're up by about $1.5 million from where we sit right now.

If Howson could pull that off, he'd be a genius, but there's no way it happens like that.

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06-01-2010, 05:40 PM
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Total effect on our cap--we're up by about $1.5 million from where we sit right now.

If Howson could pull that off, he'd be a genius, but there's no way it happens like that.
I'm not saying that I'm not down with this line of thinking but if Howson nabs those two guys and Mason tanks again next season we would be in some serious trouble. Kaberle would probably walk from an extension and we wouldn't have 1st round pick for two draft in a row. It's a pretty big gamble for a guy like Howson.

Edit: My bad, I didn't see that the Kaberle trade was a conditional 1st rounder. Glad you threw that in there. Clever.

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I was just wondering if CBJ fans would agree to this:

Kaberle (with a guarantee resign for approx. 5 years) + Jimmy Hayes for 4th overall + salary dump. I know someone put this offer up already, but this time, would you agree if Kaberle also agrees to a long term-ish deal? We might even have to throw something else in, but this would be the basis.

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06-01-2010, 05:59 PM
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Sign and trade is illegal under the NHL CBA.

But if it wasn't it might be interesting.

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Sign and trade is illegal under the NHL CBA.

But if it wasn't it might be interesting.
Hossa for Heatley was a sign and trade.

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The Heatley-Hossa deal came just hours after the Senators avoided salary arbitration with Hossa by signing the star forward to an $18-million US, three-year deal.

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I was just wondering if CBJ fans would agree to this:

Kaberle (with a guarantee resign for approx. 5 years) + Jimmy Hayes for 4th overall + salary dump. I know someone put this offer up already, but this time, would you agree if Kaberle also agrees to a long term-ish deal? We might even have to throw something else in, but this would be the basis.
No. I wouldn't give up the 4th for Kaberle.

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I was just wondering if CBJ fans would agree to this:

Kaberle (with a guarantee resign for approx. 5 years) + Jimmy Hayes for 4th overall + salary dump. I know someone put this offer up already, but this time, would you agree if Kaberle also agrees to a long term-ish deal? We might even have to throw something else in, but this would be the basis.
As alluded to above, the timing doesn't work. Kaberle can't be extended until July 1, 2010 per the CBA...i.e. after the 2010 Draft has occurred.

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I was just wondering if CBJ fans would agree to this:

Kaberle (with a guarantee resign for approx. 5 years) + Jimmy Hayes for 4th overall + salary dump. I know someone put this offer up already, but this time, would you agree if Kaberle also agrees to a long term-ish deal? We might even have to throw something else in, but this would be the basis.
5 years? holy Moses no. and that's completely ignoring that Kaberle + Hayes doesn't want me to let go of the 4th as it is, even with a salary dump.

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If you want a PP QB who will pass 99 times out of 100, and you want to trade value for him, you deal for Kaberle.

If you want a PP QB that still launches lasers and is a true all-around PP QB, you sign Gonchar.

Gonchar > Kaberle and doesn't cost anything to get him.

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5 years? holy Moses no. and that's completely ignoring that Kaberle + Hayes doesn't want me to let go of the 4th as it is, even with a salary dump.
Ok, sounds like that is never gonna happen then xD

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Or just go the most likely route, which is to explore a trade for Tobias Enstrom or someone similar and, if one can't be made, take a run at Pavel Kubina as a UFA.

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If you want a PP QB who will pass 99 times out of 100, and you want to trade value for him, you deal for Kaberle.

If you want a PP QB that still launches lasers and is a true all-around PP QB, you sign Gonchar.

Gonchar > Kaberle and doesn't cost anything to get him.
I'd rather shoot for Dan Hamhuis in free agency, and hold onto the #4 pick.

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If you want a PP QB who will pass 99 times out of 100, and you want to trade value for him, you deal for Kaberle.

If you want a PP QB that still launches lasers and is a true all-around PP QB, you sign Gonchar.

Gonchar > Kaberle and doesn't cost anything to get him.
What Gonchar costs is money. Free agents do not clear salary cap space, trades do.

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I'd rather shoot for Dan Hamhuis in free agency, and hold onto the #4 pick.
I really like Hamhuis, but does he solve our problem? I don't think he does. He makes us better, but I don't think he improves what we need improved.

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From Eklund 'The Great'-

"The first one (trade) is a big and involves bringing a top 3 forward, a draft pick, and a VERY good, young Goalie prospect for Tomas Kaberle and a prospect. The Goalie and the draft pick will be part of a package that will be on the table on draft day, and it is THAT deal which could potentially re-shape the Toronto Maple Leafs."

Please God, let that offer NOT be coming out of Columbus...

This would probably include... Vermette/Brass/Juice + 4th + Mason ??? for Kaberle.

I'de jump ship if SH were to try to swing such shenanigans.


Edit: I guess his saying "a draft pick" implies the 1st... but still...


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From Eklund 'The Great'-

"The first one (trade) is a big and involves bringing a top 3 forward, a draft pick, and a VERY good, young Goalie prospect for Tomas Kaberle and a prospect. The Goalie and the draft pick will be part of a package that will be on the table on draft day, and it is THAT deal which could potentially re-shape the Toronto Maple Leafs."

Please God, let that offer NOT be coming out of Columbus...

This would probably include... Vermette/Brass/Juice + 4th + Mason ??? for Kaberle.

I'de jump ship if SH were to try to swing such shenanigans.


Edit: I guess his saying "a draft pick" implies the 1st... but still...
From a Columbus perspective, I rate this rumor E-Fail.

That package for Kaberle would be insane, to put it as mildly as possible.

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Kind of an off topic question...

Would you guys trade David Savard and a 6th round pick for Grabovski?

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Kind of an off topic question...

Would you guys trade David Savard and a 6th round pick for Grabovski?
No way in hell.

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Kind of an off topic question...

Would you guys trade David Savard and a 6th round pick for Grabovski?
Don't worry, Savard will just sign with the Maple Leafs when he becomes a free agent, then you won't have to give up anything to get him...

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Note to other team's fans: just because we're bad doesn't mean we're stupid! (does it? LOL)
Grabovski has averaged 40 points in the last 2 seasons in the NHL so it didn't really seem like a stretch for a mid tier prospect and a late pick. Of course Grabovski is over paid so you could add a salary dump to compensate (Just don't expect C64 )

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