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05-31-2010, 06:07 AM
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Schenn and Loktionov

Do you see these guys taking up the second and third line spots (if so, who goes where) or do you see either of them switching to wing? Could a Loktionov-Schenn-Clifford line be in the future?

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Personally I'd rather see a third line looking something like this in the future

Clifford-Schenn-Simmonds

I see Loktionov as being a 2nd line center, only if he can fill out his body and start having a bigger frame. If not, he'll most likely become a 1st line/2nd line winger, which I wouldn't mind either.

As for who makes the team, I think Schenn cracks the lineup coming out of training camp, make Jarrett Stoll expendable and Loktionov needs another year in Manchester but he'll get called up often

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I see Loktionov as a winger in the NHL, probably replace Williams.

Schenn should replace Stoll when ready. Handzus may re-sign at a discount to continue on the third line.

I could see this is 2011:

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Clifford-Handzus-Simmonds

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I could see this is 2011:

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Clifford-Handzus-Simmonds

Where's Richardson? Parse?

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Where's Richardson? Parse?
Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Parse-Handzus-Simmonds
Clifford-Richardson-Westgarth

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Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Parse-Handzus-Simmonds
Clifford-Richardson-Westgarth
A playmaking center on the 4th line... so we go on with wasting people ???

Give Schenn his 10 games of fame... and send him back as long as he isn't able to play AHL.
We have to start to develope young guys like the other really successfull teams.
If you wanna play top 6 at the Kings.... deserve it.
Quick and Bernier are the first one who proof that.
We have the time and we have the players to start a dynastie, there is no reason
to throw in young guys just for fun.

Brown needs players with same speed to success so Richardson is first choice.
Smyth is Smyth and will play same style on every line.
Smyth - Richardson - Brown is a very good second line


but again............. we can waste the good players we already have
and throw in youngster to complain later about missing hockey sense and shooting goalies into the chest

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A playmaking center on the 4th line... so we go on with wasting people ???

Give Schenn his 10 games of fame... and send him back as long as he isn't able to play AHL.
We have to start to develope young guys like the other really successfull teams.
If you wanna play top 6 at the Kings.... deserve it.
Quick and Bernier are the first one who proof that.
We have the time and we have the players to start a dynastie, there is no reason
to throw in young guys just for fun.

Brown needs players with same speed to success so Richardson is first choice.
Smyth is Smyth and will play same style on every line.
Smyth - Richardson - Brown is a very good second line


but again............. we can waste the good players we already have
and throw in youngster to complain later about missing hockey sense and shooting goalies into the chest
We're talking potential 2011-2012 lineup.

If Richardson is the Kings' 2nd line center during that season, then something is wrong.

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Kurri,

Enough with this Richardson as a 2nd line center talk, he's a utility-man, can play on the wing or center, I'd much rather have him on the 4th line wing or center, I can see our 4th line looking something like this next season:

Richardson-Schenn-Lewis

with Westgarth and Clune sitting in the press box and dressing up against more physical teams.. Sooner or later Schenn will move up and take Stoll's 2nd line center role and then Richardson or Lewis can play the 4th line center position and Westgarth or Clune will play the 4th line wing.. In 2 years, I think we'll be looking for a 2nd line center, maybe that's Loktionov's future position or maybe we acquire a Jeff Carter or Claude Giroux, but when it comes to a solid 3rd line in 2 years, I can see us rolling something like:

Clifford-Schenn-Simmonds

That's going to be a nasty shut down line, I'm talking a better version of Cooke-Staal-Dupuis

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I see Loktionov as a winger in the NHL, probably replace Williams.

Schenn should replace Stoll when ready. Handzus may re-sign at a discount to continue on the third line.

I could see this is 2011:

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Clifford-Handzus-Simmonds
I'd love to see that line-up.

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If Schenn doesn't make the Kings roster next season he has to (and should IMO) play in juniors. Same goes for Clifford.

Loktionov needs at least one full AHL season to mature and prove himself.

All of these guys need time to develop properly. None of them are a Doughty or Kopitar. Granted, Johnson and Simmonds stepped into the NHL right away and did well. Could they have benefited more by a season in the minors?

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Schenn will make it in the next couple of seasons. I am not as high on him as some around here but I am the first to admit that it is way too early to judge.


Lokti, as others have mentioned it, needs size but that is not as easy as some make it sound. What I have noticed about Lokti's physique is that he is not just light, he has a small frame. Someone like Simmonds make be a twig now but he has the frame to fill out. I am not sure Lokti has that. I would be as much if not more concerned with my skating if I were him. If he can get better at that first step and mid range speed, then he may render his small frame irrelevant.

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Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Parse-Handzus-Simmonds
Clifford-Richardson-Westgarth
Parse does NOT deserve to be on a line higher than Richardson. Richardson has had a consistent year for the most part while Parse has been a healthy scratch quite a few times this year.

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Parse does NOT deserve to be on a line higher than Richardson. Richardson has had a consistent year for the most part while Parse has been a healthy scratch quite a few times this year.
Role and necessity. Find us a 5th centerman if having there so offends you.

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Parse does NOT deserve to be on a line higher than Richardson. Richardson has had a consistent year for the most part while Parse has been a healthy scratch quite a few times this year.
We're talking about the 2011-2012 lineup. I don't think the players 2009-2010 season will be taken into consideration when assessing lines for that year.

I'm guessing Parse proves himself as a 3rd liner by then, but who knows?

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how could anyone not be high on Schenn....just look at what he has done in juniors....yes, hes not flashy and wont wow you, but this past seasons numbers dont lie....he was one of the best players in the entire CHL and i personally think he was one of the main reasons Calvert had such a good year....


He is our future 2nd line center and we will become accustom to him being a 25 goal 40 assist guy....

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how could anyone not be high on Schenn....just look at what he has done in juniors....yes, hes not flashy and wont wow you, but this past seasons numbers dont lie....he was one of the best players in the entire CHL and i personally think he was one of the main reasons Calvert had such a good year....


He is our future 2nd line center and we will become accustom to him being a 25 goal 40 assist guy....
Being high is relatively subjective...and depends on tolerance

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Being high is relatively subjective...and depends on tolerance
haha true that....i suppose the longer i stay high on Schenn, the more Schenn im gonna have to take....

although i always have the option of switching to Loktionov....i have heard some say Schenn is nothing but a gateway player....and it wont take much to be high on Loktionov

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No love for Moller?

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No love for Moller?
Moller's size and game, unless something drastically changes, dictate he plays a top 6 role or nothing IMO. Personally, I haven't seen any reason to believe he will be a top 6...YET. That could change since he still is young, but so far I'm not sold. Are you?

PS In the play-offs for Manchester he was very quiet, while guys like Bud Holloway shined. THAT doesn't bode well for him either. But, this opinion is coming from a guy who never actually saw him play in any of these play-off games, so keep that in mind too. I'd love to get some opinions from people that watched him.

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Moller is a shoot first player, that's not a good shooter.

He doesn't have the hockey sense to make up for his lack of size. He's can't score enough to be in the top six, and isn't defensively effective enough to be in the bottom six.

I love how the kid plays with fearlessness, but I don't think he'll ever make it at the NHL level.

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Moller is a shoot first player, that's not a good shooter.

He doesn't have the hockey sense to make up for his lack of size. He's can't score enough to be in the top six, and isn't defensively effective enough to be in the bottom six.

I love how the kid plays with fearlessness, but I don't think he'll ever make it at the NHL level.

i think your very wrong with regards to Moller....He has outstanding hockey sense and a high IQ when it comes to reading the flow of the game....this has been outlined ever since he was drafted....

He 100% has the ability to score at the NHL level and be a pretty darn good one at that....

It comes down to bulking up for him and if he takes training seriously and puts on 15 pounds or so, i think he can be a productive second line player

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His hockey sense is about as high as Patrick O'Sullivan's.

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I think Oscar has a great shot. His lack of blazing speed and bulk have stopped him from being able to unleash it at the ahl and NHL levels. I think his scoring will take off after another two to four years of pro hockey. As he develops the comfort and savvy that comes with experience he will be a dangerous player.

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I see Loktionov as a winger in the NHL, probably replace Williams.

Schenn should replace Stoll when ready. Handzus may re-sign at a discount to continue on the third line.

I could see this is 2011:

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Loktionov
Smyth-Schenn-Brown
Clifford-Handzus-Simmonds
Why would Simmonds get bumped off the first line and be replaced with Lokti?

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haha true that....i suppose the longer i stay high on Schenn, the more Schenn im gonna have to take....

although i always have the option of switching to Loktionov....i have heard some say Schenn is nothing but a gateway player....and it wont take much to be high on Loktionov
How will Schenn be a stop gap player for a guy who is almost guaranteed to play wing?

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