And of course, if Halak STILL outplays Price, Price will fetch us a huge return... Yeah, makes sense.
So what you're saying is, you think Price played poorly this year, because Halak played better?
Anticipating a "no" answer, do you think he improved at all?
Anticipating a "yes" answer, do you think GMs around the league let the goaltending situation determine what they think he's worth, or do you think they base that on his play and progression, talent and potential?
Obviously what I'm saying, is that Halak's play doesn't determine the value of Price in deals with other teams, especially at this young age. It only determines the Habs' value of keeping him vs trading him. As long as he continues to show signs of upward/forward progress, it doesn't matter if he plays 20 games or 60. If he doesn't have a season or two of playing the bulk of a team's games by the time he's 27, it might become an issue. But I think we all feel comfortable betting that he'll be the #1 in Montreal long before that, whether Halak starts 60 regular season games next season or not.
Why anyone expects management to trade one of these RFAs while questions still remain for both, is beyond my comprehension. There is almost no way either is worth less next season (in fact, there are far more arguments that would suggest they'll both be worth MORE), and management obviously still has no clear idea which one would be best to keep, and which one would be best to trade (which makes it comical to read all the comments from the keyboard GMs who claim THEY do).
edit: after reading this a second time, it would probably have been best to post this in the new "both" thread instead. Oh well.
Last edited by Ohashi_Jouzu: 06-04-2010 at 05:09 PM.
Neither goalie has been defined yet for full trade value.
While Price did not enhance his value this year, Halak is not a guaranteed commodity yet either. That means neither will draw full value
Price needs to play better and actually get some breaks to win some games. Halak has to show it was not a "one year wonder" situation.
So you see, both goalies have something to prove to increase their value. Too many folks are caught up in the "which one is more valuable" (read: my favourite is better than yours). That is actually irrelevant, unless your objective is solely to get rid of one for the best return you can get this year.
Keep both for the time being. Dealing one or the other makes no sense unless somebody offers something crazy. (Not too likely)
Neither goalie has been defined yet for full trade value.
While Price did not enhance his value this year, Halak is not a guaranteed commodity yet either. That means neither will draw full value
Price needs to play better and actually get some breaks to win some games. Halak has to show it was not a "one year wonder" situation.
So you see, both goalies have something to prove to increase their value. Too many folks are caught up in the "which one is more valuable" (read: my favourite is better than yours). That is actually irrelevant, unless your objective is solely to get rid of one for the best return you can get this year.
Keep both for the time being. Dealing one or the other makes no sense unless somebody offers something crazy. (Not too likely)
That, and "my favourite isn't happy as long as yours is still around". Completely agree with everything you wrote.
It appears most Hans fans are delusional, wanting keep Carey price over jarodlav halak will not happen unless halak wants out. I'd bet anyone here
Halak's one good half-season (starting December) + playoffs doesn't prove much. Price was also incredible in his first season and even managed 2 playoff shut-outs that year. I think management would be stupid to trade one of them while neither has proven anything consistently at this level. The SAFEST thing for management to do is to keep both of them for next year and THEN make a decision.
However, some of the French reporters seem to think that Halak doesn't enjoy the media/the scrutiny of this town. So perhaps he'd like to play in a smaller market, who knows?
My repost:
I read some recent articles on cyperpresse.ca that seem to suggest that Halak doesn't like playing in a big hockey market like Montreal because he doesn't want the scrutiny by the media in his life. This also explains why Jaro rarely does any interviews after losses. I think management also needs to take into consideration which goalie WANTS to play in Montreal for the long-term. I guess it was interesting to me because no one brought it up here. It remains to be seen whether Price has the mental toughness to handle it over the long haul either but Price clearly expresses his desire to play here.
In this article by MAG & Francis Gagnon, Article #1:
Quote:
Encore une fois ! Halak est meilleur en ce moment. Price pourrait l'être dans un an ou deux. Que faire ? Garder celui qui semble vouloir le plus demeurer à Montréal. Et ce gardien est Carey Price. Halak se passerait volontiers de l'attention reliée au job de numéro un. Price ? Il sait qu'il peut être un héros un jour, un zéro 20 minutes plus tard. Mais entre les deux, il me semble être le plus apte à composer avec cette réalité. Sans oublier qu'il a été, et sera sans l'ombre d'un doute, un fichu bon gardien de but...
Jean-Francois Begin suggests the same in this article, Article #2:
Quote:
Reste à savoir s'il (Halak) a envie de continuer dans la jungle de Montréal. Ça, c'est moins sûr. Hier, après avoir passé quelques minutes sur son petit podium improvisé, Halak est pratiquement sorti en courant de la salle d'entrevues. Comme un gars qui n'avait qu'une hâte: échapper au plus vite aux regards qui ne le lâchent plus dans cette ville malade de hockey. Comme un gars qui serait pas mal plus heureux à Tampa, à Atlanta ou dans n'importe quel coin de l'Amérique où il n'aurait pas à rendre des comptes jour après jour à une armée de journalistes.
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<<Ça a peut-être pris trois ans, mais c'était des leçons que je devais apprendre, a dit Price. Au hockey et dans la vie en général. Je ne les aurais peut-être pas apprises dans un autre marché que celui-ci. Je suis pas mal fier de m'être rendu où je suis en si peu de temps. Et je suis enthousiaste pour la suite.>>
The psychological aspect of hockey is underrated around here. You don't want to force players if they don't like the attention, otherwise, they'll eventually leave (see Heatley trade and possibly Spezza in the near future). If Halak doesn't like dealing with the media right now, even when they haven't been harsh on him at all, why force him to stay here? That's why I appreciate the way Price handles the media, he faces the music and takes it like a man.
Last edited by eightyseven: 06-04-2010 at 07:58 PM.
The results of this poll are absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, HFBoards. Once again, "potential" (or should I say, draft position) is put above proven talent.
The results of this poll are absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, HFBoards. Once again, "potential" (or should I say, draft position) is put above proven talent.
The results of this poll are absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, HFBoards. Once again, "potential" (or should I say, draft position) is put above proven talent.
I agree. Halak has always been given the shaft here. He may not want to comeback and who could blame him. He has only had to outperform the number1 goalie 3 years in a row to get a look. Then polls like this. Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone, but we all knew this would happen, price finished ahead of halak on the hf 3 stars. Lol. There is no love for jaro, but from a select few.
The results of this poll are absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, HFBoards. Once again, "potential" (or should I say, draft position) is put above proven talent.
Actually, if there was a 'Both' option, I think the poll results would be drastically different. At least I hope it would...
I agree. Halak has always been given the shaft here. He may not want to comeback and who could blame him. He has only had to outperform the number1 goalie 3 years in a row to get a look. Then polls like this. Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone, but we all knew this would happen, price finished ahead of halak on the hf 3 stars. Lol. There is no love for jaro, but from a select few.
I agree. Halak has always been given the shaft here. He may not want to comeback and who could blame him. He has only had to outperform the number1 goalie 3 years in a row to get a look. Then polls like this. Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone, but we all knew this would happen, price finished ahead of halak on the hf 3 stars. Lol. There is no love for jaro, but from a select few.
Agreed 100%. It's one thing to like Price, but nothing Halak does will ever be good enough for most of the people on here and that's really sad.
Actually, if there was a 'Both' option, I think the poll results would be drastically different. At least I hope it would...
I'm sure they would be but after all Halak has done for us, people would still prefer to trade him away instead of Price. I'll never understand that. We have a hard-working, young goaltender who brought our team the furthest they've ever been since their last cup. He's shown he can raise his level of play when he needs to. He's also shown this year that he can handle playing lots of games (olympics, more than half the regular season + playoffs). How can anyone still doubt him? If he plays great, the haters say that the Habs made him look because they forced the opposition to take bad shots blah blah blah. Kind of like how haters say the devils system made Brodeur look good. Can't win either way.
I agree. Halak has always been given the shaft here. He may not want to comeback and who could blame him. He has only had to outperform the number1 goalie 3 years in a row to get a look. Then polls like this. Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone, but we all knew this would happen, price finished ahead of halak on the hf 3 stars. Lol. There is no love for jaro, but from a select few.
3 Years, what the **** do you people smoke, because its better than mine. Halak has been better for 1 and a half years at most not even if you ask me. He was terrible in Jan 2009, and awesome in feb and march and then from December on this season. Simple math if you ask me.
I agree. Halak has always been given the shaft here. He may not want to comeback and who could blame him. He has only had to outperform the number1 goalie 3 years in a row to get a look. Then polls like this. Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone, but we all knew this would happen, price finished ahead of halak on the hf 3 stars. Lol. There is no love for jaro, but from a select few.
How did Halak ever get the shaft? It's not like they kept him in the AHL until he was 25 or on the bench for 20 games at a time. If anything playing Price more the last few years allowed him to develop properly and not "thrown to the wolves" like they did with Price with the Huet trade. Halak didn't have to answer all the questions last year for the team falling apart(both physically and mentally). It's ridiculous you make it sound like he is some kind of martyr.
They both have 65 wins, Halak was arguably the best goalie in the playoffs where it counts the most. He reached a level of play that Price can only dream of. He won 2 series with hes outstanding play, stopping two of the best teams in the league and two of the stanley cup favorites bringing the habs to a est finals. there is no doubt who the #1 goalie is in Montreal. He played 70 games last year including the season, playoffs and Olympics, being a key part in all three runs. Hes the reason we made the playoffs, he got slovakia 4th and the habs in the est finals, all that with mediocre teams. He proved he has the stamina the be a #1 and hes young so he should only get better with experience. Anyone voting for Price is doing so for illogical reasons, there is nothing left to argue, the best choice is Halak and its not even close. What Halak did this year, very few goalies do that in their entire careers, yet alone in their first year as a #1. hes been the best at every level and now showed that he can be the best of the best. There is no doubt in my mind that Halak is the guy to go with for long term. Can you imagine we trade him and Price gets the #1 job again... lol, putting that much pressure on him didnt quite work out before, a huge risk we cannot afford to take if we want to contend for the next few years
The results of this poll are absolutely disgusting. Shame on you, HFBoards. Once again, "potential" (or should I say, draft position) is put above proven talent.
I know, eh?
Fortunately internet posters don't run hockey teams
3 Years, what the **** do you people smoke, because its better than mine. Halak has been better for 1 and a half years at most not even if you ask me. He was terrible in Jan 2009, and awesome in feb and march and then from December on this season. Simple math if you ask me.
You must of forgot the year we played huet in the last game against the leafs after halak carried us there and huet cost us a playoff spot. It's been 3 years and he has been the better goalie for most of it, he was never really giving a fair shot and the first time he got a fair shot, look what happened.
Everyone has been blinded by the Price hype when we have had our number 1 goalie all along, Halak.
Halak had to earn his right to be number 1, he didn't have it handed to him like Price.
I must say I'm extremely surprised by you all guys, wow. I was sure you were all sold to Halak...
I voted Price too.
There is a strong silent majority who still believe Price is the future. The whinners and never happy fans are only a minority. And those complaining about Price today will be the same to complain about Halak in a year or two.
What ball-busters. We're allowed to believe in whoever we want. I prefer Price. Apparently that's a crime. I think halak is a good goalie and I won't give you the "it was a fluke" stuff, i'll just say, people have short memories. When price played that game vs nashville and stopped who knows how many shots. People said he's better, now halak has a good run...he's better. Yah...okay. I guess we keep both and NEXT year is the telling year. Anyone who thinks price or halak will win over the job permanently with ease are kidding themselves. They are both tremendous talents and the competition is not over IMO. If halak proves again next year hes the guy, then yes, keep halak, but if price regains it, then, price. Right now? I'd choose price. just a feeling.
