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halak 115 34.33%
price 220 65.67%
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06-11-2010, 12:48 PM
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And why it's not a good representation of the fan?
are you serious??

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Watch out here we are comparing a rookie in a playoff run and a 3 years player in the league, who is established as a #1.

Comparing S% and GAA in this case isnt usefull since Halak's sample is too small. It would look something like this:

Halak at 21 - .906 - 2.89
Price at 21 - .905 - 2.83

Halak at 22 - .934 - 2.11 (only 6GP)
Price at 22 - .912 - 2.77

They both played in Hamilton at 20 years old

Halak - 13GP-7W-6L-3SO-.927-2.29
Price - -10GP-6W-4L-1SO-.896-2.69


CHL at 19 years old

Halak - 47GP-24W-17L-4OTL-.913-2.78 (team was 32-30-8)10th out of 16 teams
Price - -46GP-30W-13L-1OTL-.917-2.45 (team was 47-23-1)5th out of 21 teams

Tri-City Americans lost in 1st round
Lewiston MAINEiacs lost in 2nd round
Nice play of stats there.

Price at 20:

Hamilton AHL 10 6 4 - 0 581 1 26 251 2.69 .896
Montreal NHL 41 24 12 - 3 2413 3 103 1282 2.56 .920

Halak at 20:

Hamilton AHL 13 7 6 - 0 786 3 30 409 2.29 .927
Long Beach ECHL 20 11 4 - 2 1026 2 35 516 2.05 .932


Don't use selective stats please. Also, I hope your CHL comment wasn't meant to say price had a better team cuz I've been hearing people say 'bottom line, halak has the Wins" all year, now when Price has wins, don't turn it into a non-factor. Either it never is representative(which it shouldn't be IMO) or it always is.

I don't mind that you like Halak better, but like I said, omitting stats is kind of ********. Yah, you compared same league, that's fine. Still, when you consider price had .920 in NHL it makes that .896 in AHL pretty insignificant.

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are you serious??
yes, a forum is a good representation of a population.

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Price at 20:

Hamilton AHL 10 6 4 - 0 581 1 26 251 2.69 .896
Montreal NHL 41 24 12 - 3 2413 3 103 1282 2.56 .920

Halak at 20:

Hamilton AHL 13 7 6 - 0 786 3 30 409 2.29 .927
Long Beach ECHL 20 11 4 - 2 1026 2 35 516 2.05 .932
Cant compare ECHL with NHL

I took comparable stats in similar situations, sry if Halak is better.

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yes, a forum is a good representation of a population.
hahahhahaha you should work for leger marketing !!!

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Cant compare ECHL with NHL

I took comparable stats in similar situations, sry if Halak was better in AHL that year.
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Cant compare ECHL with NHL

I took comparable stats in similar situations, sry if Halak is better.
You actually find it "flattering" that a 25 years old golie has to fight for his life in the comparission with a 22 year old?

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Nice play of stats there.

Price at 20:

Hamilton AHL 10 6 4 - 0 581 1 26 251 2.69 .896
Montreal NHL 41 24 12 - 3 2413 3 103 1282 2.56 .920

Halak at 20:

Hamilton AHL 13 7 6 - 0 786 3 30 409 2.29 .927
Long Beach ECHL 20 11 4 - 2 1026 2 35 516 2.05 .932


Don't use selective stats please. Also, I hope your CHL comment wasn't meant to say price had a better team cuz I've been hearing people say 'bottom line, halak has the Wins" all year, now when Price has wins, don't turn it into a non-factor. Either it never is representative(which it shouldn't be IMO) or it always is.

I don't mind that you like Halak better, but like I said, omitting stats is kind of ********. Yah, you compared same league, that's fine. Still, when you consider price had .920 in NHL it makes that .896 in AHL pretty insignificant.


The bottom line is Price blows and Halak rulz!!!! Halak has CONSISTANTLY put up better numbers everywhere he played. He is the more consistant out of the 2 and he proved this year that he can win hockey games for the Habs when they do struggle....Price couldn't and that also means a lot IMO. You need a goalie who plays consistant every game and is capable of stealing games....not a goalie who plays lights out 1 game getting a 40 save shutout and then letting 6 goals in on 15 shots the next game.....thats no good for anybody.

The Habs need to keep the better goalie, which is Halak, and trade the other (Price) while we can still get something for him.

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The bottom line is Price blows and Halak rulz!!!! Halak has CONSISTANTLY put up better numbers everywhere he played. He is the more consistant out of the 2 and he proved this year that he can win hockey games for the Habs when they do struggle....Price couldn't and that also means a lot IMO. You need a goalie who plays consistant every game and is capable of stealing games....not a goalie who plays lights out 1 game getting a 40 save shutout and then letting 6 goals in on 15 shots the next game.....thats no good for anybody.

The Habs need to keep the better goalie, which is Halak, and trade the other (Price) while we can still get something for him.
While I agree Halak played excellent in the playoffs. I think you flashing consistency when he got pulled a few times after miracle runs shows the opposite no? I may have a Price avatar, but I'm not that much of a Price fanboy. I just think it's unfair to conclude anything just yet. Still, if management goes with halak this summer, then fine, no problem. I won't complain, they will both be good, I just think Price will be better.

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Can someone just answer these 2 questions

Why is Halak considered a proven big game player yet he has yet to bring home any hardware?

Why do people say if we keep Price we have to wait 3 years till he develops?

ps nice to see antindg back

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You actually find it "flattering" that a 25 years old golie has to fight for his life in the comparission with a 22 year old?
I was talking about the past, right now there is no comparaison.

Price will be 23 at the begining of next year, stop saying 22.

Is everyone else forgetting that Price played more games in the NHL than Halak ???

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Can someone just answer these 2 questions

Why is Halak considered a proven big game player yet he has yet to bring home any hardware?

Why do people say if we keep Price we have to wait 3 years till he develops?

ps nice to see antindg back
K i like Price but hardware isn't everything. A goalie can steal win 15 games for you, but if you lose last one, you don't get **** sometimes. Not fair.


I don't know, I think he's ready now.

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I was talking about the past, right now there is no comparaison.

Price will be 23 at the begining of next year, stop saying 22.

Is everyone else forgetting that Price played more games in the NHL than Halak ???
I like how you make experience sound like a bad thing.

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While I agree Halak played excellent in the playoffs. I think you flashing consistency when he got pulled a few times after miracle runs shows the opposite no? I may have a Price avatar, but I'm not that much of a Price fanboy. I just think it's unfair to conclude anything just yet. Still, if management goes with halak this summer, then fine, no problem. I won't complain, they will both be good, I just think Price will be better.


I think you're reading way too much into Halak getting pulled in the playoffs....the guy seen more rubber than a dead skunk on the 401!!! This year Halak played the most games he's ever played in an NHL season, going from playing 10-20 games in a season to over 40 regular season games, plus 19 more in the playoffs has to be exhausting especially with the amount of shots he faced. If he had played 60 games a season in the last 2 years with the Habs, I'd agree with you, but you can't knock the guy for getting pulled when he played his heart out in the other 17 playoff games he played. The biggest thing about him getting pulled was that he bounced back strong both times he got pulled.....that shows that he has a great head on his shoulders and is mature enough to be a consistant starting goalie in the pressure cooker that is Montreal!!!

Those few reasons alone are why I'd keep Halak over Price. Price may very well have a better career than Halak, but it won't be in Montreal....his lack of consistancy ruined him so far and now his head is messed up. Trade him somewhere for a top 6 forward with grit and let Price re-start his career outwest somewhere where he can play without being in the spotlight.

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Anyways I'm willing to bet Price will be better than Halak starting next year. Save this quote and bring it up at the end of the year
First, get your last years quote when you said that Price will be better this year.

And then go get your quote about Halak choking in the playoffs, you called that one also, good job!!

Man you must have been crying in game 6 against washington when Halak stole the show.

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I think you're reading way too much into Halak getting pulled in the playoffs....the guy seen more rubber than a dead skunk on the 401!!! This year Halak played the most games he's ever played in an NHL season, going from playing 10-20 games in a season to over 40 regular season games, plus 19 more in the playoffs has to be exhausting especially with the amount of shots he faced. If he had played 60 games a season in the last 2 years with the Habs, I'd agree with you, but you can't knock the guy for getting pulled when he played his heart out in the other 17 playoff games he played. The biggest thing about him getting pulled was that he bounced back strong both times he got pulled.....that shows that he has a great head on his shoulders and is mature enough to be a consistant starting goalie in the pressure cooker that is Montreal!!!

Those few reasons alone are why I'd keep Halak over Price. Price may very well have a better career than Halak, but it won't be in Montreal....his lack of consistancy ruined him so far and now his head is messed up. Trade him somewhere for a top 6 forward with grit and let Price re-start his career outwest somewhere where he can play without being in the spotlight.
Halak played 70 games including the olympics

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I like how you make experience sound like a bad thing.
age = maturity

experience = maturity

age = experience

both are at the same level right now. experience is a good thing, I dont see where you got that.

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I think you're reading way too much into Halak getting pulled in the playoffs....the guy seen more rubber than a dead skunk on the 401!!! This year Halak played the most games he's ever played in an NHL season, going from playing 10-20 games in a season to over 40 regular season games, plus 19 more in the playoffs has to be exhausting especially with the amount of shots he faced. If he had played 60 games a season in the last 2 years with the Habs, I'd agree with you, but you can't knock the guy for getting pulled when he played his heart out in the other 17 playoff games he played. The biggest thing about him getting pulled was that he bounced back strong both times he got pulled.....that shows that he has a great head on his shoulders and is mature enough to be a consistant starting goalie in the pressure cooker that is Montreal!!!

Those few reasons alone are why I'd keep Halak over Price. Price may very well have a better career than Halak, but it won't be in Montreal....his lack of consistancy ruined him so far and now his head is messed up. Trade him somewhere for a top 6 forward with grit and let Price re-start his career outwest somewhere where he can play without being in the spotlight.
Why won't it be in Montreal

And lack of consistancy, you can say the same thing for almsot every NHL player under 25. You do realize not many goalies have been able to play consistant from 20 years old till they retire right?

How is his head messed up?

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I was talking about the past, right now there is no comparaison.

Price will be 23 at the begining of next year, stop saying 22.

Is everyone else forgetting that Price played more games in the NHL than Halak ???
Exactly the point.....not flattering for Halak to have played less NHL games at 25 than Price at 22 (yes, he is CURRENTLY 22).

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Exactly the point.....not flattering for Halak to have played less NHL games at 25 than Price at 22 (yes, he is CURRENTLY 22).
yet they both have 65 wins

just because hes european, its been explained over and over again.

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68% of HF boards fan dont represent the habs fans in general, people like Halak way more than Price, no doubt about it, he gets no respect here for some reason, there are simply no LOGICAL reasons to choose Price at this point, simple. you really think fans like Price more than Halak ??

All you Price fans want him to be #1 after we trade Halak, lol, thats a recipe for disaster !! if fans already started booing him, imagine how it would be after that...

Iam not having a heart attack these polls dont deserve respect and fans that vote in them dont know much about the game to want to keep Price over Halak it is plain ridiculous.

.894 3.17
.923 2.48

Its not even close and we can all agree that Halak played against better teams in the playoffs.
You can pull out all the numbers that you want, you're fighting a losing battle.

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You can pull out all the numbers that you want, you're fighting a losing battle.
I blocked that guy a while ago. I honestly think all he does is look at stats and forgets to watch games

70% of the 250 voters agree with me/you

Thats 175/250. He can bad mouth us all he wants but like you said it's a losing battle

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I blocked that guy a while ago. I honestly think all he does is look at stats and forgets to watch games

70% of the 250 voters agree with me/you

Thats 175/250. He can bad mouth us all he wants but like you said it's a losing battle
I'm not quite sure Asterix meant he agreed with you. I could be wrong...

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yet they both have 65 wins

just because hes european, its been explained over and over again.
Europeen?...is that why Montreal had him as a backup for so many years?.......I guess Tuka Rask, Rhinne, Varlamov never heard of that europeen rule with regards to Goalies....

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