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06-02-2010, 01:30 PM
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MPS vs Cowen ??

Did we make a HUGE mistake not picking MPS instead of Cowen ?

sorts of reminds me of Brian Lee & Anze Kopitar

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06-02-2010, 01:36 PM
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Too early to tell. If Cowen stinks it up this coming year and his speed and mobility have not improved, adn MPS continues to impress, we dropped the ball on this one...

There was a qoute from Murray the other day saying something like they couldn't pass on Cowen and take the next best forward available last year.

To me that tells us how highly they think of Jared...

Also shouldn't this be in teh prospects thread or somehting?

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Did we make a HUGE mistake not picking MPS instead of Cowen ?

sorts of reminds me of Brian Lee & Anze Kopitar
It's too early to compare this past draft to taking Lee over Kopitar. I'm not a big Cowen fan, but I heard his season in Spokane was pretty good. He had a bad WJC, but we're going to base his career off of a tournament that lasts a couple of weeks? Let's not forget he had a major knee surgery, so it's possible he was playing a bit injured this year.

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I'll wait and see how things go in the next 2-3 years. Cowen's injury was the only reason he wasn't drafted ahead of us. I think with a healthy knee and a proper training this summer, he'll bounce back next year.

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at comparing MPS to Kopitar.

I think at face value MPS is a better player, but the Sens are taking the tried and true "build from the net out" route, so I have no complaints with the pick.

Obviously Kadri is better than MPS and would've been a nice pick, but you have to remember we would have had to give up Cowen + Lehner to get him.

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Cowen was a better prospect than Lee.
Kopitar was a better prospect than MPS.

Not comparable. Cowen will be our #1 for a long time, and a blueline built around him and Karlsson is going to be something special.

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Also the Lee vs Kopitar debate is flawed as compared to MPS vs Cowen. Kopitar was the 5th rated prospect in the 2005 draft as per TSN but fell due to his birthplace. Lee was ranked 14th and was a reach.

Cowen was ranked 7th and was drafted 9th. MPS was ranked 10th and went 10th.

Basically Kopitar was a top 5 talent that never should have fallen and Lee was a massive reach.

Pretty simple...

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at comparing MPS to Kopitar.

I think at face value MPS is a better player, but the Sens are taking the tried and true "build from the net out" route, so I have no complaints with the pick.

Obviously Kadri is better than MPS and would've been a nice pick, but you have to remember we would have had to give up Cowen + Lehner to get him.
Kadri is nice and would have been great to add to our prospects, but when we know it would have cost us Lehner I would much rather stick with Cowen and still have Lehner as well...

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It's too early to tell, that's just the way it is. Right now, people on the trade board probably wouldn't even trade a 5th round pick for Cowen because they have it cemented in their minds that his WJC performance is indicative of his mobility.

Right now, it isn't even a question of hindsight because it's going to take Cowen some more time to get back to his playing potential. Once he's recovered, you can start drawing the comparisons.

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Cowen was a better prospect than Lee.
Kopitar was a better prospect than MPS.

Not comparable. Cowen will be our #1 for a long time, and a blueline built around him and Karlsson is going to be something special.
This really isn't true. I'm not a stats guy, but MPS was playing full-time in the SEL in his draft year (and basically the year before too) and put up 17 points. In his draft year, Kopitar played 5 SEL games, and the next year only had 20 points (MPS's equivalent, this year, he had 29). Both Kopitar and MPS fell on draft day, and I wanted both. I just don't think its true that Kopitar was any better of a prospect. Upside I'd say they were comparable on draft day, and MPS was closer.

As for Cowen, he's without a doubt a better pick than Lee, who was a disaster from the moment his name was read. I don't see Cowen ever being a true #1 though. I don't see him having any significant offensive role in the NHL, and usually #1 tags are reserved for guys who can do it on both ends.

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We really could use less people like Mr. Threadstarter. Some people are so damn pessimistic.

Waaaah. Heatley over Hossa.
Waaaah. Havlat gone.
Waaaah. Chara gone.
Waaaah. Michalek is a bust.
Waaaah. Lee over Kopitar
Waaaah. X over Y

Maybe I should start a Daigle over Pronger thread, it has as much use as any of these other topics.

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There's one thing I really like about Cowen: I don't think he'll break the bank on his second contract. The guy might eventually make us more of a contender than Karlsson does (without the flash, of course), and he'll do it for about half the price.

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This is dumb, way too early to tell. Cowen could have been scratched in 60 of his games this year and I wouldn't care. All that matters is next year, when he is at his actual level of physical ability. Next year is when we see who we drafted, last year was when we saw who we drafted playing one-legged.

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It will take five years to make a serious comparison, but *right now* MPS is a better asset--whether that will remain the case or not remains to be seen--certainly Cowen was the higher rated prospect at the draft.

The 2005 draft is a hard one to assess since it was coming out of the lockout & no one knew if the NHL would stick with the new style of play.

As for Kadri, he's overrated. He's a good player, but if he didn't play for the blue team he wouldn't get as much hype. Don't forget he was ranked (#8) behind MPS (#4) and Cowen (#7) going into the draft (http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11679).

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We really could use less people like Mr. Threadstarter. Some people are so damn pessimistic.

Waaaah. Heatley over Hossa.
Waaaah. Havlat gone.
Waaaah. Chara gone.
Waaaah. Michalek is a bust.
Waaaah. Lee over Kopitar
Waaaah. X over Y

Maybe I should start a Daigle over Pronger thread, it has as much use as any of these other topics.
Waaaah indeed.

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06-02-2010, 03:32 PM
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Yeah, we'll only know once they've both developed. Neither of them even play in the NHL yet...

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Wow, people take Cowen so lightly around here. He was a MAJOR cog for the Chiefs when they won the championship. He has ice in his veins, plays a calm game, is a leader, will play 20+ minute a night in the NHL, doesn't shy away from physical contact.

I'd still take Cowen over anyone else who was around at 9.

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Too early to tell, but I can see Cowen's skating and mobility improve after a summer of workout, and may surprise in training camp. I highly doubt this is Lee over Kopitar all over again.

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Yeah, we'll only know once they've both developed. Neither of them even play in the NHL yet...

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Too early to tell, but I can see Cowen's skating and mobility improve after a summer of workout, and may surprise in training camp. No way this is Lee over Kopitar all over again.



What?

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Yes we made a huge mistake. MPS has already scored 30 goals in his rookie season in the NHL.

Cowen has done what exactly?

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What?
Cowen played a game once we clinched a playoff spot IIRC.

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I think TW was talking about Cowen and MPS, not Lee and Kopitar.

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Based entirely on the quality of their personal website, I've got to give MPS the edge:

http://www.paajarvi.com

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What?
NVM, if you meant neither played in the NHL full time yet. Feeling a bit under the weather today...

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NVM, if you meant neither played in the NHL full time yet. Feeling a bit under the weather today...
Yeah that's what I meant, that's why I was confused. lol

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