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06-02-2010, 03:01 PM
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Who is on your top 5 wish list for pick #5 ?

Outside of Hall and Seguin, whom I think are a lock for picks #1 and #2 overall, 3-10 could be a mad scramble. Some people are saying Fowler is falling, some are saying Gudbranson and Connolly are moving up. If you look at all the draft guides, picks 3-10 are all over the place. So here is my top 5 wish list of players who could still be available at #5, and how I would want them to be future Isles.

1)Fowler-I just think we are seeing Scott Niedermeyer part II. Great skater with excellent offensive abilities. If he's there at #5, I pray the Isles are smart enough to take him.

2)Gudbranson-He might be exactly what the doctor ordered. We don't have anything like him in our prospect pool, a big, strong, mean, beast, who's also an above average skater.

3)Connolly- Very good size and talent, would be fun watching him grow with Tavares, Okposo and the other young forwards.'

4)Neidereitter- For some reason, I think this guy is gonna be a stud, had the same feeling about Thomas Vanek in his draft year, reminds me of a mix between Jagr and Vanek.

5)Gormley-Smooth and steady, but for some reason, not a big fan of his.

What are your favorites ?

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gudbranson - like hamonic, can't have enough of this type of defensemen especially in the eastern conference where toughness matters as much as speed/skill!

connolly - from what i've read, this guy can really be a gem, especially if you surround him with talent. assuming injuries are not a concern, and assuming the isles can provide some vet support for him (JT, KO, Bailey) then I'd be happy to add him and watch the core grow together.

fowler - he could be duncan keith or wade redden. i like his game but i don't see a niedermayer. he's young but from watching him play, he seems more of a "safe" pick (ala gormley, similar to what deHaan would bring to the NHL). something about fowler I worry about. I haven't seen him A LOT so I'll trust the scouts. I thought Hamonic was FAR BETTER than Fowler in the mem cup (I know he's older) but I would have thought fowler would be better. I felt the same about Ryan Ellis in the WJC and in his draft year. I don't see an NHL star there, maybe a pp specialist but not a top2-3 dman.

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johansen - something about this guy, from what i've read, haven't seen him play.

neiderreiter - brings size, skill, desire and has had success against top players. safe pick and would add a dimension that is what the islanders need. his skillset translates to the NHL well.

gormley - reminds me of deHaan, MacDonald - what he could bring to the Isles at the NHL level. I'd rather a player like gudbranson or fowler, ONE of whom should be available at #5.
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worry about:
kabanov & tarasenko - the russian thing.

worry about: granlund
great talent, questionable skating and strength, worry about his game translating to the NHL!

intriguing: skinner
small but seems to be able to play big and score big goals, in big games, and win.

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1.Gudbranson
2.Gudbranson
3.Gudbranson
4.Gudbranson
5.Gudbranson

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1.Gudbranson
2.Gudbranson
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i agree this is the smartest move if he's still around at 5 tons of upside and a big hitter

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06-02-2010, 07:23 PM
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1.Gudbranson
2.Gudbranson
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fowler then connolly then gudbranson. then a drop off resulting in gormely. then another drop and its nino.

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1) Connolly - if 100% healthy

2) Gudbranson - already been said

3) Fowler - probably highest upside of any dman in the draft

4) Gormley - all around solid dman

5) Watson - think his offensive game is under rated and the rest of his game is fantastic

6) Niederreiter - good scoring and grit, drives the net well

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The severe overrating of Gudbranson is almost nauseating at this point. People were clamoring for Nikita Filatov over Luke Schenn, but think Gudbranson is a better pick at 5 then Schenn would have been? Sorry if Gudbranson's offensive game doesn't develop you have a lesser version of Luke Schenn at the 5 spot, and NO THANK YOU. I'd much rather take a healthy Connolly, and move up into the 2nd half of the 1st round and take Tinordi or Merrill. Tinordi is more of what we need than Gudbranson.

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The severe overrating of Gudbranson is almost nauseating at this point. People were clamoring for Nikita Filatov over Luke Schenn, but think Gudbranson is a better pick at 5 then Schenn would have been? Sorry if Gudbranson's offensive game doesn't develop you have a lesser version of Luke Schenn at the 5 spot, and NO THANK YOU. I'd much rather take a healthy Connolly, and move up into the 2nd half of the 1st round and take Tinordi or Merrill. Tinordi is more of what we need than Gudbranson.
Ok, and if Connolly continues to have injury problems,which I don't think he will, we will have another Rick DiPietro(and I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy with Connolly)

Everybody has serious question marks after Hall and Seguin.

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Ok, and if Connolly continues to have injury problems,which I don't think he will, we will have another Rick DiPietro(and I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy with Connolly)

Everybody has serious question marks after Hall and Seguin.
A Gudbranson type player can be found later in the draft. Connolly has one more checkout with doctors this week, if he is deemed healthy, he just solidified a top 3 pick imo. Him, Hall, and Skinner are the top pure goal scorers in this draft. I am starting to become a believer in dropping back, taking Tarasenko, and moving back up in the 1st to grab Merrill or Tinordi

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1.Gudbranson
2.Gudbranson
3.Gudbranson
4.Gudbranson
5.Gudbranson
1. This
2. This
3. This
4. This
5. This

Not Gormley. Either Gudbranson, Fowler, or trade down for El Nino.

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A Gudbranson type player can be found later in the draft. Connolly has one more checkout with doctors this week, if he is deemed healthy, he just solidified a top 3 pick imo. Him, Hall, and Skinner are the top pure goal scorers in this draft. I am starting to become a believer in dropping back, taking Tarasenko, and moving back up in the 1st to grab Merrill or Tinordi
Fair enough.

I would be fine with taking Connolly, just have a slight preference for Gudbranson atm. But if I were assured Connolly was 100% healthy, I would be the first to jump on the Connolly bandwagon. If Gudbranson and Connolly are gone at 5 I would start to think about trading down.

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Gudbranson and Fowler are scheduled to visit Long Island and meet with Wang and Snow according to Botta

Gudbranson may end up the next Pronger but the thing with that type of player is they rarely have an impact with the team that drafts them since they take so long to develop. Pronger was OK when he was with the Whalers but really blossemed in St. Louis after the Whalers grew tired of waiting for him to develp. Same could be said for Bertuzzi. These players dominate in the juniors because the are so much bigger and stronger then the competition. They get to the NHL and they can not physically dominate anymore.

The player I think is extreamly under rated is Niederreiter. He reminds me of Kopitar no one wanted to rate him high since he was Slovenian. Same thing with Neiderreiter no one believe the Swiss because they are not know for developing forwards.

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If Connolly's health checks out, he's my pick. The likelihood of finding top-4 D man later in the draft is higher than finding an elite forward. NYI's lacks elite, top-end skill and JT is going to need help. I am not completely convinced management will look outside the organization for elite talent (or be able to), so drafting is the way.

But I'd also be content with Fowler or Gudbrunson.

Regardless, another significant piece to the puzzle.

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1. Gudbranson
2. Fowler
3. Gormley
4. Granlund
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Fowler
Gubranson
Connoly

The above are my hopes of who may be available at 5 though I think Fowler and Gub should be gone in 3 and 4 picks. I take Fowler over Gubranson. Not too long ago many were projecting Fowler as a possible #1pick. I think he is that talented.

I take Gubranson over Connoly with some trepidation but do not look back. I like his size and nastiness and I know we can use that. I'm one of those believers of building from the blueline up if all things are close to equal. However, I think Connoly could be "that" player that teams cannot believe they passed over in coming years. That hip injury concerns me. It was pretty severe.

As others stated, If Fowler and Gub are gone, I take Connoly and don't hesitate (unless doc's say something to raise ANY concern). If there are concerns, I would trade down (Boston?). Based on what I've read and the little I have seen, I believe there is not that great a drop off from 6/7 - 15/16 range. I also think there could be some teams out there looking for a trade partner at # 5 to grab Campbell.

Gormley does not get me excited for some reason. It may not make a whole lot of sense to those who have seen him regularly but I think you use a 5 pick for a potential homerun pick and trade down to acquire sure and steady. I don't see Gormley as a home run. Anyone feel differently?

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Best Realistic Case Scenario for Isles:
Fowler falls to five.

Very likely if the Isles stay put:
The Isles take whoever of Gormley and Gudbranson is left at five.

Possible at 5, but unlikely because there's too much risk involved:
Connolly or Kabanov.

Judging by Jankowski's previous drafts:
Team could/should be in love with some of the aspects offered by Skinner, Johansen, Merrill and prolly Etem. Will look to trade down.

Players who'll likely be among the best from this draft in 7 year's time:
Hall, Seguin, Kabanov, Granlund, Fowler, Merrill, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, McFarland

What I feel would be wisest for the Isles:
If the team is not convinced that one of Gormley, Gudbranson or Connolly is FAR AND AWAY better than anyone they could possibly get a few picks back, then take the best package possible to drop down and pick a kid of their liking while adding assets. Then create an opportunity to move back into the latter half of the first round in order to grab a high chance/high reward player á la Kabanov, Tarasenko, McFarland.


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1. Fowler
2. Gudbranson
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3. Gormley
4. Niederreiter
5. Connolly
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6. Granlund

Even though I'm a finn, I wouldn't pick Granlund. Sure he has talent and he has shown that he can play with men, but I don't think Granlund is what Isles needs.

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BPA among Fowler, Gudbranson and Connolly.

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1. Gudbranson
2. Connolly

3. Fowler

4. Trade down, Im not interested in Gormley.
He seems to do everything well but nothing spectacular, Im not too intereste in another puck moving Dman in this early of the draft. He seems too similar to the other potential Dmen we have (ie. DeHaan, Kohn, Striet)

If Gudbranson is thre I would take him to be the anchor of our blueline for years. If not I take Connolly cause you have to love a scorer with size and hands that uses both. I think the Injury promblems are a thing of the past. If you read some of the NHL combine articles hes been given a clean bill of health.

Fowler is a good Dman to build around and eventually replace Striet when he decides to hang up the skates.

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If not I take Connolly cause you have to love a scorer with size and hands that uses both. I think the Injury promblems are a thing of the past. If you read some of the NHL combine articles hes been given a clean bill of health.
Then again, when has anyone seen him using that size and those hands?

In one 30-30-60 rookie season on a lousy club that fed him boatloads of ice time?

He may be everything folks (namely here at HF) are saying he could be, but man has there been little, little proof of that on the ice to date.

Lingering effects from injury or not, doesn't it sound a bit too risky at #5 with so many similarly praised prospects hanging around at that point? How can any scout say he's got enough info to name him the BPA at that point?

Isn't actually possible, or have I missed something?

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The player I think is extreamly under rated is Niederreiter. He reminds me of Kopitar no one wanted to rate him high since he was Slovenian. Same thing with Neiderreiter no one believe the Swiss because they are not know for developing forwards.
No way. Niederreiter played a full season in the WHL, where scouts have plenty of time to judge him against his peers playing North American hockey. He's not some kid from Slovenia (waaaayyy more remote than Switzerland) suddenly bursting onto the SEL scene. Niederreiter will be judged on a combination of his play this year combined with guesses about his upside, just like every other North American prospect. The questions about him relate to his physical development - some people obviously think he may have less room for development than some of his peers. If they're wrong about that, he's underrated. But that has nothing to do with his being Swiss.

I'm curious about why people here are so down on Gormley. Personally, I think that the way the league is going - where D-men are more physical targets than agressors - the value of smart positionally sound d-men with hockey-sense are more valuable than those who dole out punishment. Not that I think Gormley is better than the other two D-prospects. I don't know, but all that I've read is that his strengths (hockey-sense, positioning, all-around play) are the other's questions. I've had limited viewing like others here, so I don't mean to express a strong opinion - just a question.

I mean, I think Pronger's value in the playoffs has been the way he settles the game down for the otherwise over-emotional, prone to mistakes Flyers, and not the intimidation factor.

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Not Gormley. Either Gudbranson, Fowler, or trade down for El Nino.
My woefully ill informed self is leaning towards this as well. If Gudbranson and Fowler are off the board, I wouldn't mind seeing Snow maybe flipping the 5 + 82 to Carolina for 7 + 37 then taking BPA.

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Gormley or Gudbranson at #5. For some reason, Fowler seems like a "bust" to me. But, I don't think he will be there at #5 anyway. El nino is appealing, but not at #5. Ideally, I would like to trade down a couple of spots and pick up Skinner. Who I feel will be the "steal" of the draft. I don't see him getting past Minnesota/Rangers at #9/10.

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1. Fowler
2. Gudbranson
3. Gormley

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4. Connolly
5. Niederreiter

One of the top 3 defenseman should be available. Grab whichever one's left. I don't care that MacDonald, Hillen, Hamonic, and DeHaan are all in the system - I'm sure 2005-2006 Islanders fans thought Gervais and Campoli would be our top pair.

Watching the Stanley Cup Finals and seeing Keith/Seabrook/Campbell/Hjalmarsson vs. Pronger/Carle/Timonen/Coburn just reinforces the fact that defense wins.

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