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04-30-2010, 08:09 PM
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New Captain?

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http://blogs.tennessean.com/predator...c-next-season/

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04-30-2010, 08:19 PM
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I was surprised at Trotz's candor, but pleased as well.

I definitely think it's time for a new leadership group...look at what happened after Carolina passed the captaincy on to Eric Staal midyear. This week has kind of been one of malcontented comments from Arnott and Dumont in particular. I think we're ready for the captaincy of Weber or Suter, hopefully the start of a long run for whomever.

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If it's an issue of comfort in wearing the C, then from what I've heard about the way it is in practice and what not, maybe Legwand would in fact be a good choice. He's clearly comfortable with being vocal and helping teammates out.

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I don't think I'm buying the comfort thing, he's been the Captain for 3 of his 4 years here. Legwand would be interesting for the simple fact he's never been an Alternate for any length of time, beyond the time Sullivan was out.

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Im not too impressed with this talk. Didnt trotz make similarly non-committal statements last year? I think its his standard answer, just making sure nobody takes anything for granted.

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So was Arnott voted captain by the players, or was it given to him by the coaches, or did he just kind of claim it? I know usually it's voted on by the team, but Trotz's comments didn't make it sound like that...and a reader's comment said that it wasn't voted on, so now I'm curious.

I never thought Trotz & Co would have the stones to strip the C from someone; I thought Arnott would have to leave for us to get a new captain. But these comments make it sound like that might not be the case, and I think that's awesome. Maybe the situations in Dallas and San Jose got Trotz thinking.

I think the two favorites for captain are obviously Weber and Suter, with Legwand third. I've always thought it would be Weber, but Suter must have some impressive leadership skills because he always has a letter on his chest in international competitions, where he's playing on really stacked teams. And it'd be kinda cool to have an American captain. Three years ago it would've been Sully for sure, but he's too old now and next season might be his last...I doubt they'd want to elect a new captain for such a short time.

The possibility of a new captain is exciting. Shows we're at least willing to shake something up next year!

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So was Arnott voted captain by the players, or was it given to him by the coaches, or did he just kind of claim it? I know usually it's voted on by the team, but Trotz's comments didn't make it sound like that...and a reader's comment said that it wasn't voted on, so now I'm curious.

I never thought Trotz & Co would have the stones to strip the C from someone; I thought Arnott would have to leave for us to get a new captain. But these comments make it sound like that might not be the case, and I think that's awesome. Maybe the situations in Dallas and San Jose got Trotz thinking.

I think the two favorites for captain are obviously Weber and Suter, with Legwand third. I've always thought it would be Weber, but Suter must have some impressive leadership skills because he always has a letter on his chest in international competitions, where he's playing on really stacked teams. And it'd be kinda cool to have an American captain. Three years ago it would've been Sully for sure, but he's too old now and next season might be his last...I doubt they'd want to elect a new captain for such a short time.

The possibility of a new captain is exciting. Shows we're at least willing to shake something up next year!
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next season:

C - Suter
A - Sullivan
A - Legwand

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next season:

C - Suter
A - Sullivan
A - Legwand
so you rip it off a young guy like weber who wore an A all year?

and you give legwand the A for a decent playoff and one guy saying he talks at practice?

just making sure I have this right.

say what you will, but this is still sullivan's team. suter and weber are the present and future and it doesn't matter who wears the letters. heck, give all 3 an A until sullivan retires if you are worried about hurting his feelings

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next year:
C - Arnott
A - Weber
A - Sullivan

after next year:
C - Weber
A - Suter
A - Legwand

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so you rip it off a young guy like weber who wore an A all year?

and you give legwand the A for a decent playoff and one guy saying he talks at practice?

just making sure I have this right.

say what you will, but this is still sullivan's team. suter and weber are the present and future and it doesn't matter who wears the letters. heck, give all 3 an A until sullivan retires if you are worried about hurting his feelings
geez calm down it was only a suggestion based on what other people said!
if i had it my way weber would be captain

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From earlier articles, it sounds like Weber and Suter are both captain potential, each with differing methods. IMO, both should have either an A or the C.....Sullivan should be included in the leadership group until his time ends here.

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Legwand please

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I'd bet a lot of money that Legwand will never be captain of this team.

But don't take my word for it, go listen to the Poile interview on NP.com. He sounds down right pissed at Legwand. "His play was unacceptable." "If he doesn't score at least 20 goals next year, I'm not going to be very happy."

This is not someone on the verge of being named captain of this team.


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Suter "A"
Weber "A"
Hornqvist "A"

No rule that you have to have a "C". It's a team with young talent see who becomes your leader and then give it out.

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next year:
C - Arnott
A - Weber
A - Sullivan

after next year:
C - Weber
A - Suter
A - Legwand
+1 IMO if they're not going to do anything about Arnott.

That said, I would rather the management take a decisive and ballsy move and remove the "C" from Arnott. He may play better, he can't really play much worse, and if he's so insulted he retires or asks for a trade...

Then I'd do this for the coming year:

C - Weber
A - Suter
A - Sullivan

And then:

C - Weber
A - Suter
A - Legwand

I wouldn't put Sullivan as Captain for the coming year, Weber is going to be the leader in the future so might as well make it official sooner than later rather than having three captains in three seasons.

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Taking it from Arnott and giving it to Sullivan does nothing to change the dynamic\leadership of the team. I think a big part of the problem right now is this old-boys-club that Arnott\Dumont\Sullivan seem to have. I think, if it's going to move(it should), the best play would be one of the younger guys that represents the future of the franchise...not another symbol of an average\mediocre past.

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Taking it from Arnott and giving it to Sullivan does nothing to change the dynamic\leadership of the team. I think a big part of the problem right now is this old-boys-club that Arnott\Dumont\Sullivan seem to have. I think, if it's going to move(it should), the best play would be one of the younger guys that represents the future of the franchise...not another symbol of an average\mediocre past.
yeah, I don't think Sullivan and Arnott are in any club together.

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Taking it from Arnott and giving it to Sullivan does nothing to change the dynamic\leadership of the team. I think a big part of the problem right now is this old-boys-club that Arnott\Dumont\Sullivan seem to have. I think, if it's going to move(it should), the best play would be one of the younger guys that represents the future of the franchise...not another symbol of an average\mediocre past.
agree with the idea but not the exact sentiment; don't think it's an "old boys club" nor celebrating the past average/mediocrity being ok. however, I do think that it's time to look at the future. previous captains brought experience, locker-room presence, etc. The last few years we've been trying to recover from Liarpold and the only kid we had with maturity was Hammer, so it was obvious that Arnie and Sully should have the leadership roles, both for their maturity and their experience. Today, Sully still has the on-ice attitude of a leader (at least most of the time) but if Arnie shows any leadership it's behind closed doors, not where we see it. Neither sets an example with outstanding performance. and yes, - as Neck said - they're the past.

while they can explain it away to some degree - I think both Poile and Trotz know they shoulda' had this one - or at least pushed it to game 7. we're clearly committed to a future of Suter and Weber going forward as our key on-ice leaders, we've signed Leggy and Marty, we have Wilson and hopefully Horny, and they've given JP a pretty good kick saying that they don't think he can perform skating top 6 minutes. I would never have thought Trotz would pull the C from a veteran - but I think maybe now they do. Weber or Suter - doesn't really matter which one. Or everyone with an A as someone else suggested. Sully keeps an A - while his performance is down that's an age thing and not an effort thing - I don't think it's smart to tank the whole leadership group and create a split of old-guys vs. new-future-guys. But we're staking our future to those 6 guys - it's time to give them the reins to shape what and how we go about our team biz.

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Taking it from Arnott and giving it to Sullivan does nothing to change the dynamic\leadership of the team. I think a big part of the problem right now is this old-boys-club that Arnott\Dumont\Sullivan seem to have. I think, if it's going to move(it should), the best play would be one of the younger guys that represents the future of the franchise...not another symbol of an average\mediocre past.
About the only thing Arnott and Sullivan have in common is the uniform they wear. During the playoffs, Sullivan was in the trenches almost every shift it seemed, battling for pucks, taking abuse, trying to make things happen. Even if he isn't playing all that well, Sully is always trying to generate something. He's the leader of this team, and has been for several years now.

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does the captaincy, or the wearing of a letter, really mean that much? I would think in a group that small, everyone knows who the leaders are regardless of who wears a letter.

I can see where stripping a player of the C would make a statement about and directly to that one player, but do you really, honestly think shuffling the letters around will result in a single extra point in the standings?

Personally I think this is all just a nice little distraction but in the end it wouldnt matter if Smithson, goc and belak wore the letters...

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About the only thing Arnott and Sullivan have in common is the uniform they wear. During the playoffs, Sullivan was in the trenches almost every shift it seemed, battling for pucks, taking abuse, trying to make things happen. Even if he isn't playing all that well, Sully is always trying to generate something. He's the leader of this team, and has been for several years now.
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Arnott looked like he's slowed down/lost a step or was just out of gas this season on top of his normal lollygagging. Rather than taking the C from him, I'd prefer the Preds go ahead and trade him. He just doesn't seem like a player that would take losing a letter well. I could be wrong, but just a feeling I get. Also, perhaps the Preds could use that money some other way.

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Sullivan is the leader of this team regardless of what letter Arnott has on his sweater. The probable reason for not taking the C from Arnott is because he will whine and become lazy and disinterested because something didn't go his way.

Oh wait.....

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does the captaincy, or the wearing of a letter, really mean that much? I would think in a group that small, everyone knows who the leaders are regardless of who wears a letter.

I can see where stripping a player of the C would make a statement about and directly to that one player, but do you really, honestly think shuffling the letters around will result in a single extra point in the standings?

Personally I think this is all just a nice little distraction but in the end it wouldnt matter if Smithson, goc and belak wore the letters...
Ask the Sharks that question.

Seriously it all depends on the value and the "duties" the team, places on the captain and alternates. On ice it's the same for everyone, but off ice teams use the captains for different reasons. It could make a huge difference in a team that has problems working together or a team that doesn't provide the effort every shift and every game. Neither of these are problems for this team. The only issue I could see is that Arnott would most of the year and possibly divide the locker room. Not saying that would happen, but you run the risk.

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does the captaincy, or the wearing of a letter, really mean that much? I would think in a group that small, everyone knows who the leaders are regardless of who wears a letter.

I can see where stripping a player of the C would make a statement about and directly to that one player, but do you really, honestly think shuffling the letters around will result in a single extra point in the standings?

Personally I think this is all just a nice little distraction but in the end it wouldnt matter if Smithson, goc and belak wore the letters...
I think it means a lot if and when the captain isn't giving it his all on the ice. It sends a bad message to the other guys, especially the young ones, that if he's not gonna bust his tail, why should we.

Lots of guys have different styles. Lidstrom and Niedermayer do it the quiet way, the lead by example on the ice and in their play. A guy like Doan steps up his physical play during the playoffs. Dustin Brown wasn't afraid to get his nose dirty.

I think two great examples are Messier and Yzerman. Granted, hall of famers but when Messier said they'd win, he elevated his game one more notch. Yzerman was playing with a bum knee one year, do you think anyone in that locker room was gonna give less than 100% when he was out there playing handicapped?

While I see your point and get it I think it means more than you stated. That's just me though.

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