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All sorts of bad for Colorado. Trade a team leader, fan favorite, and elite D for center equivalent to Martin Skoula and another youngster not living up to his potential. Really would take something special to do the deal.
But it would be great for Toronto. I would be parting with two players that I really don't like and get one of my favorite defencemen in the NHL. I think it would be a stupid trade for Colorado and a great deal for Toronto. Colorado in return would get Toronto's underachieving, Stupid penatlies, soft, slow Antropov and Gambling, soft, won't throw a hit, won't shoot the puck Kaberle. If JFJ pulled this trade off I would be at his knees. Heck I would even throw in Aki Berg to sweeten the deal .
the avs have NO system. Ballard was their only hope. opps his gone! lol. the avs have no future and will continue not to have, until Foote, Foresberg, Sakic all retire. Then they wont have any sort of on ice product as well!
Why did you BOLD that statement if you weren't going to provide a counter argument to it?
Remember the defenseman that went by the name of Derian Hatcher? He's very simular to Foote in about everything there is, hell, he even was the Captain on the team, yet he left. I don't find it a bold statement to say he's leaving, not at all.
Remember, the Avs don't have a retarded GM/Owner combo like Armstrong/Hicks.
Remember, the Avs don't have a retarded GM/Owner combo like Armstrong/Hicks.
It's Hatcher that wanted out, it's not like management wanted no piece of him anymore. Besides, what makes Armstrong retarded? I can see Hicks, but not Army, he's a very sound, smart and patient GM..
It's Hatcher that wanted out, it's not like management wanted no piece of him anymore. Besides, what makes Armstrong retarded? I can see Hicks, but not Army, he's a very sound, smart and patient GM..
You're right, it's not his fault that Hatcher left, but I wouldn't go as far to say he's a 'very sound, smart, and patient GM'.
So far, Armstrong has shown two failed seasons for the Stars. I personally think he's one of the worst General Managers in the league.
Remember the defenseman that went by the name of Derian Hatcher? He's very simular to Foote in about everything there is, hell, he even was the Captain on the team, yet he left. I don't find it a bold statement to say he's leaving, not at all.
How can you use Derian Hatcher as an example to argue my statement when just three posts later you say Hatcher himself wanted to leave?
Adam Foote does not want to leave this organization.
Joe Sakic, Rob Blake and Adam Foote will retire as Colorado Avalanche.
I'd like to say the same about Milan Hejduk, but nothing's impossible. Sakic, Blake and Foote are the cornerstones of our club and will retire in an Avs jersey just like Peter Forsberg will.
Remember the defenseman that went by the name of Derian Hatcher? He's very simular to Foote in about everything there is, hell, he even was the Captain on the team, yet he left. I don't find it a bold statement to say he's leaving, not at all.
Well, similar in that they are both physical defensive dmen. Foote is a better skater than most forwards, and Hatcher is below average for a defensemen.
How can you use Derian Hatcher as an example to argue my statement when just three posts later you say Hatcher himself wanted to leave?
Adam Foote does not want to leave this organization.
Joe Sakic, Rob Blake and Adam Foote will retire as Colorado Avalanche.
I'd like to say the same about Milan Hejduk, but nothing's impossible. Sakic, Blake and Foote are the cornerstones of our club and will retire in an Avs jersey just like Peter Forsberg will.
Just to put this in perspective, in another thread these same two Leaf players were brought up in a proposal. This deal was for Exelby and Nurminen of Atlanta.
Someone's just throwing it against the wall, and seeing what sticks. Unless we really do get that bored, the need to discuss trades that the GMs would never touch in reality is a bit much. But maybe that's just me...
Maybe you should watch Colaiacovo... he's by far the better prospect.
And I'm not the only one who see's this.
I've watched both quite a few times now. And the only reason I take Colo is he is just a bit bigger. SKill level, they are on par. Daley should've went first round his draft year (2002) if you ask me.
I've watched both quite a few times now. And the only reason I take Colo is he is just a bit bigger. SKill level, they are on par. Daley should've went first round his draft year (2002) if you ask me.
You VASTLY underrate Daley.
Leafaholix is the same clown who said he wouldn't trade Alexander Steen straight up for Adam Foote.
That alone gave me an indication of the bias we're dealing with in this thread.
As long as the Avs have Joe Sakic and Rob Blake on their team (which is until 2007), you will see this team still hvae a chance at making the playoffs/cup hopefuls.
Knowing that, why would a GM trade one of the best playoff defensemen of this era, let alone a top 10 dman in this league, and top 4 defensive dmen???
Now add in that Adam Foote, was drafted by the Avs organization and is still there..........AND he wants to stay in Colorado........
And I'd say this pathetic offer would be scoffed at. PL overpays to get his superstars.......another GM would have to do the exact same to get his.
Footer could easily go to another team in the future. Kariya was apparentley supposed to retire as a Duck, Gretzky was beyond untouchable, Bourque would retire a Bruin, etc. Always remember, once a player hits UFA status, anything can happen. You're just possibly setting yourself up for a let down if you "guarantee" Foote will retire in an Avs jersey.
Also, I likely wouldn't trade Steen for Foote straight up either, as he's UFA in a year, and there's no way one year of Foote is worth Steen. If Foote was signed to a contract, that's a whole different story.
Footer could easily go to another team in the future. Kariya was apparentley supposed to retire as a Duck, Gretzky was beyond untouchable, Bourque would retire a Bruin, etc. Always remember, once a player hits UFA status, anything can happen. You're just possibly setting yourself up for a let down if you "guarantee" Foote will retire in an Avs jersey.
Also, I likely wouldn't trade Steen for Foote straight up either, as he's UFA in a year, and there's no way one year of Foote is worth Steen. If Foote was signed to a contract, that's a whole different story.
Of course we spent all of 2000-01 listening to Sakic signing with the Rangers like it was a done deal (and Blake and even when really cocky Roy,) so we don't feel resigned to losing our star players. Now if he were a second tier player and the Rangers were willing to grossly over pay him...
Footer could easily go to another team in the future. Kariya was apparentley supposed to retire as a Duck, Gretzky was beyond untouchable, Bourque would retire a Bruin, etc. Always remember, once a player hits UFA status, anything can happen. You're just possibly setting yourself up for a let down if you "guarantee" Foote will retire in an Avs jersey.
Also, I likely wouldn't trade Steen for Foote straight up either, as he's UFA in a year, and there's no way one year of Foote is worth Steen. If Foote was signed to a contract, that's a whole different story.
Your entitled to your opinion, but Alexander Steen is certainly <<<<<<<< than Adam Foote. As for Kariya, he probably would have retired a Duck, if the Ducks had simply qualified him......or at the very least..... it would have delayed the inevitable. The difference between the Ducks and the Avs: The Avalanche have shown they are willing to lock up their stars, at high prices, at extreme length. There is no reason to think that somone who has been with the organization since his draft day, loves the team, and is a centerpiece of the organization, would leave the Avalanche, if they follow the precedents they have set for themselves.
So far, Armstrong has shown two failed seasons for the Stars. I personally think he's one of the worst General Managers in the league.
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How? He aquired Barnes during last year's trade deadline as well as Bure this year, both contributed to our team a lot more than we could've wished for. He's making smart free agent signings that proved to be golden, Don Sweeney, Shayne Corson, etc. And is not hesitant to pull the trigger. Ranking him based on the team achievements is rather silly, since he never build the current group. He's only trying to improve it, and he's done the best he can.
How can you use Derian Hatcher as an example to argue my statement when just three posts later you say Hatcher himself wanted to leave?
Adam Foote does not want to leave this organization.
Joe Sakic, Rob Blake and Adam Foote will retire as Colorado Avalanche.
I'd like to say the same about Milan Hejduk, but nothing's impossible. Sakic, Blake and Foote are the cornerstones of our club and will retire in an Avs jersey just like Peter Forsberg will.
Since Derian Hatcher played it smart. He was all over the media saying how he wants to remain a Star, how his familiy enjoys it here and how he would like to retire in Dallas, all that sort of sucking up, yet in the mean while, he refused to sign a 5 year (5.5 or 6 million) deal in the summer of 2002/2003, the exact same deal he signed for with the Wings a year later.
Foote is worth a heck of a lot more than Kaberle, Antropov, and a draft pick. He's a top 10 defenseman in this league without a doubt, and Colorado can afford him to boot. He's one of the few top 10 defensemen who are right-side guys, and is mean as all hell.
Quite frankly, there is nothing on the Leafs roster whom I think the Avs would trade Foote for. Maybe Mats Sundin, but that's about it.
That will be signing with the Leafs in a year for nothing. It is an overpayment and I would not do it. Damn by the time hockey is being played again he will be a UFA and a Leaf 75% for sure
at his knees. Heck I would even throw in Aki Berg to sweeten the deal 
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