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06-04-2010, 02:35 PM
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Doubtful Kaberle would re-sign in Anaheim. They're going to have to rebuild, somewhat, if Niedermayer feels his time there is up. They also recently acquired Visnovsky, so their need for another Kaberle-type isn't there. Sbisa will be promoted instead. And with Selanne also going, Ryan will likely be kept. However, if Kadri or Schenn is included as well, of course a deal could happen. TO has no threat of another offer sheet, so Anaheim could deal Ryan to anybody if they can't reach a deal.

Buffalo's need for Kaberle isn't really there either, as Myers will only improve. Buffalo lacks offense, so trading Roy or Pomminville for him makes absolutely no sense. Other suggestions are fluff.

Why would teams want Kaberle now unless the return is really low? He's a UFA next summer, folks. People should expect a Kubina-esque return, not a first rounder/top liner blah, blah, blah. Learn.
Love this line of thinking. Gems.

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How about Gerbe and Stafford for Kaberle?

I like Gerbe's game a lot, but I think we already have several players who play his type of game (Ennis, Roy).

And a motivated Stafford is exactly what Toronto is looking for. Size and skill. Lacks motivation. A change in scenery might be exactly what he needs.

I don't know. I think that would end up coming back to bite the Sabres in the ass. I have a feeling a deal for Kaberle is going to happen and Buffalo will overpay.

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06-04-2010, 02:48 PM
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You can't be serious? If you think Kaberle is going to go for a defenseman that he's worse than, your absolutely nuts. Kubina got a low return because he was a salary dump, Kaberle is not.

Either Burke gets a first round pick or a good young scoring forward or Kaberle isn't going anywhere. It's that simple.
Then Kaberle isn't going anywhere. Because a GM would just wait until Kaberle is a UFA. Unless the return was pretty low, that is.

Burke has asked for a first round pick or a good young scoring forward for Kaberle in the past when he was a better player who had more years on his contract and he still wasn't moved. So what makes people think that he'll gather that return when he's a UFA in a year and his value is at an all-time low?

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Kaberle + Schenn + Grabovski

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Ryan + Holland or mikkelson or 2nd

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As silly as is the notion that the Ducks would give up Ryan (period, much less for Kaberle), if it takes away from the incessant Kaberle-to-Washington proposals, I am all for it.

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06-04-2010, 02:51 PM
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Would the Sabres do Kassian and Butler for Kaberle and Kulemin?

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Kaberle + Schenn + Grabovski

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Ryan + Holland or mikkelson or 2nd
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Ryan's not going to Toronto. Just face it Leaf fans, you just don't have the assets to get Ryan. Even if the Ducks are forced to trade Ryan, other teams will pony up a lot more than the Leafs can.

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Ever been to LA or Anaheim? The weather is nice-ish but it's no San Jose or San Diego.

I love it when people bring up the weather in So-Cal or talk about the 'beaches' down there.
I'm sorry, but I lived in Montreal most of my life and am now living in LA. The weather is a huge improvement. There's better weather around the world, sure, but LA definitely meets and surpasses the "nice" level and it would be a factor in whether Kaberle likes the trade or not.

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hockeybuzz clearly reads HF...Kabs to BUF has been speculated for a bit, and both teams fans think there can be a deal made to help each team...

As for Bobby for Kabs +, won't happen..

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This Sabre fan believes that Stafford and Kassian is too high a price for Kaberle--even if he were signed for more than one year which he is not. Stafford plus? yes A second next year maybe or Gerbe or the like. Kabs is good but ....
Yeah. He's only scored the 2nd most points since the lockout as a Dman. I mean he's only worth what, a used diaper and a half eaten hotdog?

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Kassian for 1 year of Kaberle ?


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Kassian for 1 year of Kaberle ?

That I can agree to. The deal would hinge on Kaberle resigning, which is a possibility due to proximity.

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Then Kaberle isn't going anywhere. Because a GM would just wait until Kaberle is a UFA. Unless the return was pretty low, that is.

Burke has asked for a first round pick or a good young scoring forward for Kaberle in the past when he was a better player who had more years on his contract and he still wasn't moved. So what makes people think that he'll gather that return when he's a UFA in a year and his value is at an all-time low?
Another gem by you. I love the assumptions that posters make. When you're a GM you don't think like that or you'll get canned pretty fast. Sometimes it's best to not make a move at all but to just keep saying "we won't overpay because we'll get him for free anyways" is laughable. If GMs' think a move will give them a good chance to make the playoffs or contend then they will do it, from a financial standpoint and from a fan standpoint. Maybe teams overpay for Kaberle or maybe not, but the fact that multiple teams are in the running suggests that he will get pretty good value. Especially when Burke is in charge.

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06-04-2010, 03:03 PM
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around Kabs true value, and have been looking for a similar situation to compare it to. The closest I've found was the Visnovsky to Edmonton deal which was Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene. So a very solid offensive dman for a solid 2nd/3rd line centre and a young 2nd round stay at home dman. I know you can't base everything on what's happened in the past, but that sort of shows what a GM might gauge Kabs value at.

Using that as a rough value what about Stafford/Butler for Kabs

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Yeah. He's only scored the 2nd most points since the lockout as a Dman. I mean he's only worth what, a used diaper and a half eaten hotdog?
It doesn't have to be like that lol.

Look, Sabres fans are going to want to keep Kassian. We think he's going to be a beast. There are some decent proposals out there without him that will help both teams. Keep in mind we're talking about 1 year of Kaberle here. The leafs could potentially get players that could help them for years to come (and against the Sabres no less).

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I'm trying to wrap my mind around Kabs true value, and have been looking for a similar situation to compare it to. The closest I've found was the Visnovsky to Edmonton deal which was Visnovsky for Stoll and Greene. So a very solid offensive dman for a solid 2nd/3rd line centre and a young 2nd round stay at home dman. I know you can't base everything on what's happened in the past, but that sort of shows what a GM might gauge Kabs value at.

Using that as a rough value what about Stafford/Butler for Kabs
Or his value more Brain Campbell (Buffalo to San Jose)? A 1st and an under achieving former 1st round pick.

You can make the case for either IMO.

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Yeah, you're not getting Bobby Ryan for Kaberle.

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hockeybuzz clearly reads HF...Kabs to BUF has been speculated for a bit, and both teams fans think there can be a deal made to help each team...

As for Bobby for Kabs +, won't happen..
Well I guess I can throw in the towel on this one. If Hockeybuzz says it, it ain't happenin'.

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If including Schenn in the package brings back Bobby Ryan, then I'm all for it.
schenn and kaberle for bobby ryan? really?

now i get to use this on you.


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Would the Sabres do Kassian and Butler for Kaberle and Kulemin?
That's a lot of youth for the Sabres to yield with not only Kaberle a year off from UFA but with Kulemin perhaps pricing himself a tad high during his current contract negotiations. It's interesting as proposals go, but in the same way being drunk and throwing gas onto a fire is interesting. It looks neat at the time, but it can hurt you pretty badly for years to come.

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Well I guess I can throw in the towel on this one. If Hockeybuzz says it, it ain't happenin'.
Nah, they're just doing a Spector's type reprint of Vogl's blog from the Buffalo News. And we know where John gets some of his ideas already (here) ....

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More Kaberle?

Always the same things too:

Leafs fans: Kabs is a great dman and will fetch lots!
Other team: Kabs for pieces.

Middle ground is he can stay since he likes playing in Toronto.

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Kaberle will not land you Bobby Ryan.

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Yeah, you're not getting Bobby Ryan for Kaberle.
I think we could do without your posts.

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Yeah. He's only scored the 2nd most points since the lockout as a Dman. I mean he's only worth what, a used diaper and a half eaten hotdog?
Buffalo could use a PP QB, but we need toughness on the backend much more. So he's very good no doubt, but it's not like he's our top priority.

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