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06-04-2010, 03:07 PM
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Jovanovski

With Jovo having one season left on his contract with the Coyotes at a $6.25 million dollar cap hit, $6 million in actual salary. Would it be plausible to trade Kevin Bieksa to the Coyotes straight up for Jovo? Phoenix would save $2.5 million in this deal and still get a tough 40 pt defenseman. I fully understand that Jovo is a much better defenseman, but this is about saving doing the same with less sort of speaking.

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I could be persuaded to a deal like this. I know RT is in favor of moving jovo for money relief. My problem with it is though, we could lose Jovo and there is still no guarantee our FA's(Michalek/Lombardi) want to stay here. It would help with RFA's but honestly I'm not that worried about them.

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would you be willing to throw in a 4th?

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You had me at "Jovo".

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If due to ownership uncertainty Maloney is limited in the term of contracts he can offer to his own players right now why do we think he could or would trade a 1 year contract for a long term one?

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06-04-2010, 05:50 PM
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If due to ownership uncertainty Maloney is limited in the term of contracts he can offer to his own players right now why do we think he could or would trade a 1 year contract for a long term one?
Bieksa is on a one year, as well. Same for Salo. Jovo is better than both, but much, much better than Bieksa. If it's Bieksa, Vancouver needs to seriously sweeten the pot. Salo, however, the salary difference makes up the effectiveness gap. The fact of the matter is that Jovo is top pairing defenseman. There is no doubt about that. Neither Bieksa nor Salo are top pairing defensemen. There is no doubting that, either.

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Bieksa is on a one year, as well. Same for Salo. Jovo is better than both, but much, much better than Bieksa. If it's Bieksa, Vancouver needs to seriously sweeten the pot. Salo, however, the salary difference makes up the effectiveness gap. The fact of the matter is that Jovo is top pairing defenseman. There is no doubt about that. Neither Bieksa nor Salo are top pairing defensemen. There is no doubting that, either.
I was thinking more in terms of Phoenix getting a one year player who puts up similar numbers and saving 2.5 million in the process, if I was Gillis I'd definately be willing to sweeten the pot somewhat.

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We'll give YOU a 4th and you have to take Vandermeer too!

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No. Jovo is hated by a lot of people but he contributes a lot to the team and is certainly worth more than accepting a huge downgrade to save a few million. Bieksa has NEVER played a full season and probably never will

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id rather we make a deal involving pronger

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We'll give YOU a 4th and you have to take Vandermeer too!
why? Vandermeer is a good bottom pairing defenseman.

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I was thinking more in terms of Phoenix getting a one year player who puts up similar numbers and saving 2.5 million in the process, if I was Gillis I'd definately be willing to sweeten the pot somewhat.
I understand the concept. I've posted several variations of this same proposal quite a few times over the last month. I don't think there is a spot for Bieksa on our blueline. Salo probably, but not Bieksa. Remember that we have OEL coming over, and I'm sure we hope to retain Michalek, Morris, and Aucoin. The only reason I would even consider moving Jovo is for that very reason. I'd move Jovo straight up for Salo. For Bieksa, there would have to be another team involved. One willing to take Bieksa.

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why? Vandermeer is a good bottom pairing defenseman.
He is a good bottom pairing defenseman that makes twice as much as he should.

What about something like this:

To Van: Jovo, Vandy
To Phx: Bieksa, Alberts
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To Nyi: Bieksa, Nokey, Ross
To Phx: 3rd

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He is a good bottom pairing defenseman that makes twice as much as he should.

What about something like this:

To Van: Jovo, Vandy
To Phx: Bieksa, Alberts
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To Nyi: Bieksa, Nokey, Ross
To Phx: 3rd
In: Alberts (6th Rnd Pick)
3rd Rnd Pick

Out: Jovo (FA signing)
Vandy (Part of trades back to Briere (1st) and Vaananen (2nd) with Boynton(FA signing))
Nokey (for 6th Rnd pick)
Ross (1st Rnd pick)

I don't know anything about Alberts and I know you feel the 4 players are next to useless but it seems that we may be over paying in that situation. I just think that "the Don" could do much better of a return.

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2 reasons I don't like it:
1) It doesn't help alieviate the logjam @ D
B) It improves one of the top teams in the WEST

maybe Mason Raymond


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No. Jovo is hated by a lot of people but he contributes a lot to the team and is certainly worth more than accepting a huge downgrade to save a few million. Bieksa has NEVER played a full season and probably never will
Jovo was a team worst -12 and the only Defensman that saw time with the Yotes that was in the negative. Any questions?

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why? Vandermeer is a good bottom pairing defenseman.
With 2, maybe 3 young guys looking near ready for the NHL, getting rid of Vandermeer's salary would be a good thing. Like someone said, he makes too much for who he is.

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06-05-2010, 11:40 AM
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Jovo was a team worst -12 and the only Defensman that saw time with the Yotes that was in the negative. Any questions?
His PP numbers last season were up there with Doan, Yandle, and Lombardi, second only to Vrbata. Those don't figure in your +/-.

With that said, his lack of production in the playoffs in simply unacceptable for such a highly paid vet. If you're going to be such a financial weight and get a lousy -7 over 7 games, you better put up good PP numbers. His numbers are 1 even strength goal, 0 assist, 0 PP goal, 0 PP assist, 8 SOG over 7 games. I'm sorry, but that's just embarrassing. With Doan out, Jovo should have been a force. Instead, he looked old and invisible.

I always thought the day we made the playoffs would be the day we'd love having Jovanovski. A bit like Pronger in Philly. Well... I was mistaken. The guy's washed out.

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Better deal


get:

Jovo


get:
12 pack of Bud light
5 twinkys


DEAL!

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Better deal


get:

Jovo


get:
12 pack of Bud light
5 twinkys


DEAL!
....or a bottle of Boone's Farm... Fuzzy Navel.

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06-05-2010, 01:46 PM
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We are finally in the last year of Jovo's contract. Yes, we've taken criticism for the deal but at the end of the day Jovo's provided us a legitimate top 2 presence (unfortunately with that penchant to give the puck up the middle once a game to a streaking opposition player for a glorious scoring chance). Right now, given our UFA situation on the blueline I don't think we are currently in a position to deal him.

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06-05-2010, 02:34 PM
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Jovo was a team worst -12 and the only Defensman that saw time with the Yotes that was in the negative. Any questions?
Judging a player by one of the most flawed stats in all of hockey is incredibly stupid. He isn't the greatest defenseman ever but he still has a lot more value than you give him credit for. My point still stands about him contributing to the team.

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His PP numbers last season were up there with Doan, Yandle, and Lombardi, second only to Vrbata. Those don't figure in your +/-.
Jovo had 14 PP points, which was less than Doan, Lombardi, Yandle, tied with Vrbata, and only 2 more than Aucoin. He got at least 3 of his PP goals playing as a forward, camped in front of the net. That makes him 3rd in defenseman scoring on our Power Play.

A team-worst +/- and 2nd team PP guy is not worth $6 million+ per year.

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Judging a player by one of the most flawed stats in all of hockey is incredibly stupid. He isn't the greatest defenseman ever but he still has a lot more value than you give him credit for. My point still stands about him contributing to the team.
I don't regard +/- as "one of the most flawed stats in all of hockey". It's a piece to the puzzle. My opinion of Jovo was formed by watching him consistenty cough up the puck in his own end, pinch at the wrong time, and fail to hold the puck in on the PP. The numbers are just an easier way of telling the story.

Incidently, you should take a look at Bieksa's numbers before calling him a "huge downgrade" to Jovo-cough.

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People who hate on Jovo are stuck back in his first year, here. He's been excellent since. Other than that slide toward the end of this last season, of course.

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