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06-06-2010, 04:09 PM
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Team Finland @ 2011 U20WJC's

Official tournament website: http://www.buffaloworldjuniors.com/

Head coach: Lauri Marjamäki
Coach: Raimo Helminen
Coach: Karri Kivi

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Eligible players that were there last time:
GK Joni Ortio (-91)
D Tommi Kivistö (-91)
D Sami Vatanen (-91)
F Toni Rajala (-91)
F Iiro Pakarinen (-91)
F Joonas Nättinen (-91)
F Mikael Granlund (-92)

Eligible players that were among the last cuts:
GK Sami Aittokallio (-92)
D Nico Manelius (-91)
D Rasmus Rissanen (-91)
F Teemu Tallberg (-91)

High profile players that weren't there last time:
F Teemu Pulkkinen (-92) (Was recovering from an injury)
F Joonas Donskoi (-92) (Was recovering from an injury)
F Erik Haula (-91) (Jortikka didn't seem to value him much)

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There will be surprises and getting quality ice time in SM-liiga will play a big part in selections, but here’s an early guess of the final roster:

Goalies:
Sami Aittokallio, Ilves -92
Joni Ortio, TPS -91

Defensemen:
Sami Vatanen, JYP -91
Tommi Kivistö, Jokerit -91
Rasmus Rissanen, KalPa -91
Lauri Kärmeniemi, HPK -91
Nico Manelius, Jokerit -91
Jani Hakanpää, Blues -92
Jyrki Jokipakka, Ilves -91

Forwards:
Mikael Granlund, HIFK -92
Erik Haula, Minnesota Golden Gophers -91
Joonas Nättinen, Blues -91
Joonas Donskoi, Kärpät -92
Iiro Pakarinen, KalPa -91
Teemu Pulkkinen, Jokerit -92
Toni Rajala, Brandon Wheat Kings -91
Teemu Tallberg, HIFK -91
Julius Junttila, Kärpät -91
Mikael Salmivirta, HIFK -92
Jesper Piitulainen, SaPKo -91
Miikka Salomäki, Kärpät -93
Markus Granlund, HIFK -93

Code:
Toni Rajala - Erik Haula - Iiro Pakarinen Joonas Donskoi - Mikael Granlund - Teemu Pulkkinen Teemu Tallberg - Joonas Nättinen - Julius Junttila Miikka Salomäki - Mikael Salmivirta - Jesper Piitulainen Markus Granlund Tommi Kivistö - Sami Vatanen Rasmus Rissanen - Lauri Kärmeniemi Nico Manelius - Jani Hakanpää Jyrki Jokipakka Sami Aittokallio Joni Ortio
- Not too many good centre forwards available, so Haula might be forced to play center.

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06-06-2010, 04:59 PM
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It's really early to say anything but I did my team just for fun.

Toni Rajala-Mikael Granlund-Teemu Pulkkinen
Iiro Pakarinen-Markus Granlund-Joonas Donskoi
Jesper Piitulainen-Joonas Nättinen-Erik Haula
Teemu Tallberg-Henri Tuominen-Mika Partanen
Miikka Salomäki

Tommi Kivistö-Sami Vatanen
Rasmus Rissanen-Lauri Kärmeniemi
Mikael Aaltonen-Nico Manelius
Jani Hakanpää

Ortio
Aittokallio

First line: They played so well together back in WJC-18 so we have to look at this card.

Second line: There's lot of skill, scoring ability and roughness too because of Iiro Pakarinen.

Third line: The most versatilest line. There's scoring ability but there's the defence side too.

Fourth line: What can I say? Typical fourth line. Physical game is the most important thing for them because we dont have too many guys who can give hits.

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Mika Partanen should be in the Team IMO

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06-06-2010, 08:40 PM
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Strong looking team guys but do you really think Aitokallio will start ahead of Ortio Tormentor? Sure Ortio didn't look so strong in the U20's last year but Aitokallio has yet to be tested on a large stage (injured for u-18's). A year of development and goalie coaching is huge especially when Aittokallio hasn't played an excess of 34 games the past few years against quality competition. Also if Ortio does move to the WHL with Swift Current it will likely give him an edge as he should be starter an play at least 50-60 games and 20-30 by Christmas break while Aittokallio will be lucky to have played half of that against lesser competition in Jr.A u-20. I am no expert and the CHL may be bad for him as he may struggle ala Simila but I always thought it would speed up development when goalies are playing more I may be wrong and I guess I should doubt Finland's development of goaltenders. Plus I do not know as much about Aittokalio as you guys might.

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Joni Ortio wll most likely stay with TPS in the backup role and train with one of Finlands best goalie coaches Urpo Ylönen. I think Ortio will be starter at WJC.

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Iiro Pakarinen-Markus Granlund-Joonas Donskoi
Markus might not be ready to play centre forward at the WJC's, since his skating speed, two-way game and physique still require quite a lot of work. I'm thinking that if Markus makes the team, it will be as a winger/power play specialist.

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Mika Partanen should be in the Team IMO
Like with many other players, a lot will depend on how he develops and how much ice time he gets in SM-liiga. If all goes well, he should be a pretty good alternative for 3rd/4th line.

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Strong looking team guys but do you really think Aitokallio will start ahead of Ortio Tormentor?
Ortio might be an early favourite for the starting job, but the difference between these guys isn’t that great that Aittokallio couldn’t be the one on the driver seat by Christmas. Ortio should get some starts in SM-liiga before Christmas since they have pretty much promised him the backup role. On the other hand Aittokallio might get several starts in SM-liiga since Ilves has only one other goalie under contract at the moment; Jani Hurme (prone to injuries). Both have a chance of playing in Mestis (2nd highest level), since U20 national team plays once against all 12 Mestis teams. In addition Aittokallio could be loaned to LeKi and Ortio to some other Mestis team (maybe TuTo), if they require ice time. Furthermore the U20 national team will probably play 3 tournaments in Europe before the WJC’s, so it’s likely that both will get a good chance to show their level of play against tougher opponents.

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There is still a lot of time, but I think we can name core of our team (without injuries) already. Last spots probably goes to whoever gets the chance to play in SM-liiga or Mestis and plays well.

I guess these have pretty strong chances already:

Goalies:
Sami Aittokallio
Joni Ortio

Defenders:
Tommi Kivistö
Lauri Kärmeniemi
Nico Manelius
Rasmus Rissanen
Sami Vatanen
and then there are guys like Aaltonen, Hakanpää and Jokipakka who are the strongest for the last spots.

Forwards:
Joonas Donskoi
Mikael Granlund
Erik Haula
Julius Junttila
Joonas Nättinen
Iiro Pakarinen
Teemu Pulkkinen
Toni Rajala
Teemu Tallberg
I guess many if the remaining spots goes to more defending players. But there might still be spot for Jesper Piitulainen. We will also see how for an example Jesse Mankinen, Jesper Piitulainen, Mika Partanen, Mikael Salmivirta, Henri Tuominenm Markus Granlund and Joel Armia develops.

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Well Teemu Eronen should absolutely be in U20-championship. He were Jokerit best/second best defenseman last season. He's 19-years old so he can still play there.

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He's 19-years old so he can still play there.
Nope, only 91-born or younger are eligible. Eronen is a late '90.

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I guess many if the remaining spots goes to more defending players. But there might still be spot for Jesper Piitulainen.

Interesting you mention him because I was looking at the numbers he put up in Mestis playing against men. While I'd imagine his size is a huge obstacle with regards to pro hockey in North America, how do you think he would fair in international competition?

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how do you think he would fair in international competition?
He played with the U19 national team in February and April. The first tournament went really well; 4gp 3g+4a=7p. The second tournament; 3gp 0g+1a=1p. It might be hard for him to acquire a big role in the final roster, if all top players are healthy, but he could be an option as a 3rd/4th liner that brings energy and some offense.

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Slightly OT, but do you guys have any idea when Rasmus Ristolainen is going to have a chance of making the team??? If i remember correctly he was quite a big kid.
Granlund was 16 last year when he was in for the first time

and given the fact that we lack quality defenders, he would be nice addition to the team in few years... lol i'm just a homer asking
i don't know anything about him, so can anybody give me some info

is he going to make it by 2012??? 2013??? 2014????

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Nope, only 91-born or younger are eligible. Eronen is a late '90.
My bad. I don't remember that.

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Nope, only 91-born or younger are eligible. Eronen is a late '90.
Also a bit off topic but since you mention him, do you see him being drafted this year? Thought he had a shot last year and it seems the Jokerit brain trust think a lot more of him than either Kivisto or Manelius - one of whom was drafted and the other who was mentioned a lot but avoided due to injury.

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Slightly OT, but do you guys have any idea when Rasmus Ristolainen is going to have a chance of making the team???
Ristolainen is a nice prospect and has a good foundation on which to develop his game. Good skating technique and lateral movement. Loves taking responsibility with the puck and gives nice passes. It’s hard to predict how a player this young develops, but if he keeps working hard, I think that there’s a chance that he makes the WJC’s already in 2012.

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Also a bit off topic but since you mention him, do you see him being drafted this year?
Probably not, but that’s just my opinion and I could be wrong. He’s agile, but not exceptionally fast or explosive. Good vision and passing skills, but his shot is nothing special and he doesn’t have elite puck handling skills. Defensively Eronen is pretty good for his age, but I think that he should show a bit more offensive upside as a smallish and not too physical defenseman in order to get teams really interested at this point.

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Team Finland to Lake Placid:
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Goalies:
31 Gibson Christopher, Chicoutimi Saqueenes
1 Iilahti Jonathan, Blues

Defensemen:
2 Teppo Miihkali, HIFK
3 Jokipakka Jyrki, Ilves
4 Kivistö Tommi, Jokerit
5 Manelius Nico, Jokerit
6 Aaltonen Mikael, TPS
7 Hakanpää Jani, Blues
8 Rissanen Rasmus, Everett Silvertips
25 Virtanen Jesse, Lukko

Forwards:
10 Haula Erik, Minnesota University
11 Rajala Toni, Ilves
13 Junttila Julius, Kärpät
18 Pakarinen Iiro, KalPa
20 Partanen Mika, HIFK
21 Rautiainen Teemu, HPK
24 Tallberg Teemu, HIFK
27 Donskoi Joonas, Kärpät
29 Nättinen Joonas, Blues
36 Taavitsainen Topi, TPS
42 Mäkinen Joonas, HPK
50 Salmivirta Mikael, HIFK
54 Virkkunen Valtteri, Blues
57 Kumpulainen Janne, D Team
It's good to see Haula back in the roster. I am starting to like this Marjamäki guy already . But no love for Markus Granlund?

BTW, is Nättinen supposed to crack the Blues lineup next year? #3/4C perhaps?

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No love for Joonas Rask?

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No love for Joonas Rask?
20 years old. Not eligble for the WJC.

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But no love for Markus Granlund?
I'd imagine that since both Granlunds are not going to Lake Placid this may merely be a logistical thing or a chance to get more players some exposure and experience. On the other hand, Markus may be a year away from competing at the U-20 level.

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Markus Granlund needs offensive role. And to be honest we have pretty good situation in offensive forwards. At least in finnish scale. There are already Mikael Granlund, Pulkkinen, Rajala, Haula, Donskoi and even Junttila and Pakarinen has showed more against men. Markus needs to show that he can play well against men before he can make it to WJC. Or then there must come many injuries.

But I think Markus Granlund plays in Finland U20 against teams from Mestis during next season.

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Markus needs to show that he can play well against men before he can make it to WJC.
I agree. But what if he just dominates in the Jr. A like his brother did two years ago? If I remember it correctly, he was HIFK U20 scoring leader last year (as a 16-17 year old). I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a chance to play in SM-liiga this year. Vatanen seems to be the only decent PP D-man we have so maybe Markus could play as a 13th forward / PP specialist?

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1. PP:
Donskoi - Mi. Granlund - Junttila/Ma. Granlund
Vatanen - Rajala

2. PP:
Haula - Nättinen - Pakarinen
Pulkkinen - Vatanen
Since we haven't got(?) any Jarkko Ruutus (agitator + PK specialist) in the U20, very versatile Markus Granlund could be the ideal 13th forward this year. IMO Team Finland can never have too much offence. Lack of scoring and ****** PP always kills us

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Vatanen seems to be the only decent PP D-man we have
Lauri Kärmeniemi is nother one who can play on PP.

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Spring tournament has normally given indication about the final roster for the WJC, but I believe that the present coach duo will put more emphasis on the players that have taken a role in their league teams against men and/or are "hot" before the WJC.

At the moment it looks like Ilves will rotate a lot fo its youngsters in the league team, so some dark horses for different roster spots might pop up. Potential challengers for the U20 team are IMO Markus Västilä (D) and Henri Tuominen (F). Knowing that starting goalkeeper Jani Hurme´s bad luck with injuries, I also expect Aittokallio getting some starts in the league level as well and challenging Ortio for the no 1 spot.

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I think Markus Granlund will be concentrating on the U-18 team this season.

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I think Markus Granlund will be concentrating on the U-18 team this season.
I think he maybe should do that.. He is a talented player, but he shouldnt skip anything or take too big steps just because famouse brother. If he "owns" in U18, then he should go U20. Otherwise why to get any bad karma / bad confidence for going there, when you can wait an year to get better.

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