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06-12-2010, 10:22 PM
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One thing to note is that many early offensive d-men like Boucher and Cleghorn also played forward. (Near as I can tell most teams only had 2-3 spares in those days so most players had 2 positions to create different on ice combinations.) That doesn't mean they should be discounted, but it should be remembered, as long as defence was their primary position. (As opposed to Cyclone Taylor or Barney Stanley where it was their secondary position.)

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Hollett:

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Good to see Flash Hollett mentioned.

Did he have career records for dmen when he retired? (goals, points). I know he had more then Shore.
Yes, an intriguing figure...Certainly set offensive records..Was head & shoulders above other Defensemen of his era...

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Yes, an intriguing figure...Certainly set offensive records..Was head & shoulders above other Defensemen of his era...
Offensively, that is.

And, Pratt excluded.

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Anti Defense Rule.

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One thing to note is that many early offensive d-men like Boucher and Cleghorn also played forward. (Near as I can tell most teams only had 2-3 spares in those days so most players had 2 positions to create different on ice combinations.) That doesn't mean they should be discounted, but it should be remembered, as long as defence was their primary position. (As opposed to Cyclone Taylor or Barney Stanley where it was their secondary position.)
Your point touches on an obscure rule. Thru the 1928-29 season it was permissible to play all your skaters inside your blue line to protect a lead.

For the 1929-30 season a rule was introduced that once the puck left the defensive zone then only the goalie and two defensive players could remain inside the blue line. If others stayed behind a two minute minor was assessed.

By that time NHL hockey had 12 man rosters, goalie, two five man units and a spare.Teams used to play with 3 and 4 defensemen on the ice to protect a lead so it was rather difficult to determine in certain situations which player was playing what specific position.

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Also when did the second assist come into affect?
I don't think that there was always a second assist.

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Also when did the second assist come into affect?
I don't think that there was always a second assist.
The second assist was definitely awarded by the 1930-31 season. Will have to do some research to see when it was first awarded.

The key issue is that the definition of an assist as we know it only started at the beginning of the 1931-32 season. Even then for a player to receive an assist the pass had to start and be completed in the other teams defending zone. Also the 1931-32 season recognized rebound assists if the puck rebounded from the goalie or from the net. This meant that rebounds from the boards or other players were not counted as assists.

Sidebar thru the 1931-32 season screening the goalie was not permitted.

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The second assist was definitely awarded by the 1930-31 season. Will have to do some research to see when it was first awarded.

The key issue is that the definition of an assist as we know it only started at the beginning of the 1931-32 season. Even then for a player to receive an assist the pass had to start and be completed in the other teams defending zone. Also the 1931-32 season recognized rebound assists if the puck rebounded from the goalie or from the net. This meant that rebounds from the boards or other players were not counted as assists.

Sidebar thru the 1931-32 season screening the goalie was not permitted.

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At some point in the 1930s, the NHL allowed more than 2 assists. I'm not sure what the criteria was, but if you look at old scoring summaries, most goals only have 1 assist, but some have as many as 4.

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