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06-12-2010, 09:58 AM
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If I'm giving up Letang+, I'm going for an actual NHL player that can help us right now and has proven something. But yeah, I agree that moving him would be an option for certain guys.
Yeah seriously. Who would give up Letang + for a package surrounding Kassian? HF logic is frightening. The infatuation with picks and prospects is maddening

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06-12-2010, 10:13 AM
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I think we might be able to do a trade based around Letang and Setoguchi.

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Well, I believe Kassian will become better than Dustin Byfuglien (as a power forward), so yeah I'd overpay for sure.
Wasn't that impressed with Kassian the dozen or so times I saw him play this year. Not to the point I'd be happy seeing the Pens trade two or three assets to acquire him.

He reminds me of David Clarkson, but without Clarkson's consistency of effort. I don't like the Lucic comparisons because Kassian doesn't have a rocket of a shot, and while he throws the odd big hit, they're not as punishing as Lucic's.

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Wasn't that impressed with Kassian the dozen or so times I saw him play this year. Not to the point I'd be happy seeing the Pens trade two or three assets to acquire him.

He reminds me of David Clarkson, but without Clarkson's consistency of effort. I don't like the Lucic comparisons because Kassian doesn't have a rocket of a shot, and while he throws the odd big hit, they're not as punishing as Lucic's.
I Agree, I see him becoming an NHLer but there's a good chance it's as a 2nd/3rd line tweener rather than a 1st liner.


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Yeah seriously. Who would give up Letang + for a package surrounding Kassian? HF logic is frightening. The infatuation with picks and prospects is maddening
I didn't cite Kassian specifically, I said someone that can help us now and in the future and to DrFrasierCrane's point, that means someone that's proven something.

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06-12-2010, 10:34 AM
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Wasn't that impressed with Kassian the dozen or so times I saw him play this year. Not to the point I'd be happy seeing the Pens trade two or three assets to acquire him.

He reminds me of David Clarkson, but without Clarkson's consistency of effort. I don't like the Lucic comparisons because Kassian doesn't have a rocket of a shot, and while he throws the odd big hit, they're not as punishing as Lucic's.
Kassian reads the play well. He isn't intimidated to play with top skill. That's what I like. And he can really intimidate in his own right, which creates space for great players to thrive.

Basically, what I am saying here is Kassian is the perfect power forward for Crosby or Malkin. So yeah, I'd overpay for him definitely. I realize Buffalo loves him but maybe they can be swayed to give him up for a short-term fix, considering his current legal issues.

Anyways, no to trading Letang. We already have defensive question marks and issues. We don't need to compound them.

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06-12-2010, 10:38 AM
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Kassian doesn't have enough offensive potential to overpay for him, IMO. If I thought he had 30-40 goal potential, I'd overpay for him because his physicality and intimidation factor is undeniable. I just don't see Kassian as a natural offensive performer.

He seems like a 3rd wheel guy on a top 6 line to me. 25 goals and 50 points a season seems like realistic expectations to me for him.

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06-12-2010, 11:50 AM
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Kassian doesn't have enough offensive potential to overpay for him, IMO. If I thought he had 30-40 goal potential, I'd overpay for him because his physicality and intimidation factor is undeniable. I just don't see Kassian as a natural offensive performer.

He seems like a 3rd wheel guy on a top 6 line to me. 25 goals and 50 points a season seems like realistic expectations to me for him.
Exactly. We have enough of those. Kunitz, Tangradi if he makes the team, Dupuis, Kennedy, whoever. Shero should be looking for wingers that can carry the puck and create offense.

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06-12-2010, 01:33 PM
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Normally, I'd agree with you Dan. But to me Kassian is the exception to the rule. He's a beast. Future NHL all-star. And an absolutely perfect fit for our system.

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Normally, I'd agree with you Dan. But to me Kassian is the exception to the rule. He's a beast. Future NHL all-star. And an absolutely perfect fit for our system.
I agree. I think he will be a monster. I would trade for him in a heartbeat.

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Normally, I'd agree with you Dan. But to me Kassian is the exception to the rule. He's a beast. Future NHL all-star. And an absolutely perfect fit for our system.
What has he done offensively in his junior and pro careers that makes you think he will put up enough offense to be a future NHL all-star?

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Versteeg as a player worries me. I said in the playoff thread that I don't think there's a player who screws around with the puck more than he does, I'm not sure about his hockey sense. Added to his reputation of inconsistency and turnover frequency, I think he's an example of style over substance.

Plus I like this years draft depth in the first 40 or so picks.

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06-13-2010, 12:50 AM
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Versteeg as a player worries me. I said in the playoff thread that I don't think there's a player who screws around with the puck more than he does, I'm not sure about his hockey sense. Added to his reputation of inconsistency and turnover frequency, I think he's an example of style over substance.

Plus I like this years draft depth in the first 40 or so picks.
I'd like to get buf just because Flyers fans now hate him, and he hates them. But maybe for a 2nd round pick instead.

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Versteeg as a player worries me. I said in the playoff thread that I don't think there's a player who screws around with the puck more than he does, I'm not sure about his hockey sense. Added to his reputation of inconsistency and turnover frequency, I think he's an example of style over substance.

Plus I like this years draft depth in the first 40 or so picks.
Yeah, there's probably many guys better than Versteeg at 20 that, in 4 years, will put up 25 goals for us.


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I love that he dicks around with the puck. At least he can carry it for more than 10 feet.

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Yeah, there's probably many guys better than Versteeg at 20 that, in 4 years, will put up 25 goals for us.


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I love that he dicks around with the puck. At least he can carry it for more than 10 feet.
Hahaha, drunk Doc is awesome.

But I agree. Versteeg helps this team now, and is very arguably going to be better than anyone we can pick at 20, more safe of a decision too if you want to go the safe route.

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Versteeg is nice, but I'd be pulling for Byfuglien if it was between those two for the same price. Buff's presence in the playoffs far outweighs Versteeg's imo. Versteeg is also only 5' 10 and doesn't consistently make the simple plays. I'd gladly take either though.

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Versteeg as a player worries me. I said in the playoff thread that I don't think there's a player who screws around with the puck more than he does, I'm not sure about his hockey sense. Added to his reputation of inconsistency and turnover frequency, I think he's an example of style over substance.

Plus I like this years draft depth in the first 40 or so picks.
He dicks around with the puck because he's one of the best stick-handlers in the league. He's often out there trying to create something out of nothing. Sometimes it results in a turnover, sometimes it results in a nice offensive chance. He's not going to make the 'safe' play all the time, but it's worth it.

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Versteeg is nice, but I'd be pulling for Byfuglien if it was between those two for the same price. Buff's presence in the playoffs far outweighs Versteeg's imo. Versteeg is also only 5' 10 and doesn't consistently make the simple plays. I'd gladly take either though.
The Penguins have enough guys who consistently make the simple plays. Hell, most of them ONLY make the simple plays. Versteeg is exactly the type of winger the team needs.

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He dicks around with the puck because he's one of the best stick-handlers in the league. He's often out there trying to create something out of nothing. Sometimes it results in a turnover, sometimes it results in a nice offensive chance. He's not going to make the 'safe' play all the time, but it's worth it.
plus we've already got Kunitz, Dupuis, etc who make the safe simple play.

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Someone once used the term "child-like sense of wonderment" to describe Jags.

I believe that fits well.

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I'm with him on this. Kassian is already a legit heavyweight right now and he elevates his game when he plays with superior linemates. He may never score 30 goals, but so what? He's more of a playmaker than anything. He could be a 25g-50a guy next to Crosby.

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Yeah, that's how I see him as well.

I believe child-like sense of wonderment is a compliment, so thanks!


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Yeah, that's how I see him as well.

I believe child-like sense of wonderment is a compliment, so thanks!

It will keep you young...that much is for sure.

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