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06-10-2010, 08:08 PM
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I don't want Byfuglien to be honest. 20-30 lbs overweight when camp starts. You heard it here first.

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I don't want Byfuglien to be honest. 20-30 lbs overweight when camp starts. You heard it here first.
I'm not a Buff fan either, but I watched what he did against Pronger (a guy we have to play 6 times), and I haven't seen Pronger meet his match like he did when he was lined up against Byfuglien. He would also help us completely terrorize Washington's tissue paper D, and would wear out Marc Staal when we play NY.

I'm slowly but surely shifting the players that I want from Chicago. Versteeg had a **** SCF. Buff looked like a Shero type of guy.

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Beware the small-sample size syndrome. Byfuglien is only getting traded for the mother of all offers. His trade value has gone to superstar levels now.

It'd be dumb for any team to go after him right now. And his history suggests he won't be able to play with consistency.

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I don't want Byfuglien to be honest. 20-30 lbs overweight when camp starts. You heard it here first.
I could definitely see that happening.

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Beware the small-sample size syndrome. Byfuglien is only getting traded for the mother of all offers. His trade value has gone to superstar levels now.

It'd be dumb for any team to go after him right now. And his history suggests he won't be able to play with consistency.
It's going to be interesting to see who Chicago move, Versteeg is the only guy I definitely see them moving.

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Beware the small-sample size syndrome. Byfuglien is only getting traded for the mother of all offers. His trade value has gone to superstar levels now.

It'd be dumb for any team to go after him right now. And his history suggests he won't be able to play with consistency.
It can go to superstar levels all it wants, but what every GM who talks to Chicago will say is, "The guy has never broke 40 pts in t he regular season," and they would have the most valid of points.

I still think even if you factor in this playoff run, they will get a 2nd rounder for him.

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It can go to superstar levels all it wants, but what every GM who talks to Chicago will say is, "The guy has never broke 40 pts in t he regular season," and they would have the most valid of points.

I still think even if you factor in this playoff run, they will get a 2nd rounder for him.
If that's all they'll get, they'll keep him and move on to others.

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If that's all they'll get, they'll keep him and move on to others.
They need to move salary. They don't have the luxury of holding on to him and moving on to others. There's only so many options they have.

They are going to want to keep Sharp over both Buff and Versteeg. He looked great at 2C for them.

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Would give my left nut to see Sharp here but don't think they'll entertain any but huge trade offers, which doesn't make sense.

Agree Versteeg didn't have a great final, which could be good for teams like ours because it means we may not have to part with that #20 pick. Maybe shuffle back and deal next year's 2nd + decent prospect of their choosing (obviously not one of the big names, maybe not even Jeffrey given his point production recently).

He's not an ideal fit, as he's not physical (which I've always noted), but you have to look at it in terms of will he score more goals and assists than guys like Guerin and Feds, for not that much more money? And the answer is yes. Plus he's younger, faster and more skilled than either of them.

So I'm not off the bandwagon for Versteeg (or Wheeler for that matter). I believe it's whether a guy can fit in here and be a consistent improvement over what we've had the last couple years, without breaking the bank... rather than "is he the perfect fit?" Because those guys are hard to find in any FA year.

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Would give my left nut to see Sharp here but don't think they'll entertain any but huge trade offers, which doesn't make sense.

Agree Versteeg didn't have a great final, which could be good for teams like ours because it means we may not have to part with that #20 pick. Maybe shuffle back and deal next year's 2nd + decent prospect of their choosing (obviously not one of the big names, maybe not even Jeffrey given his point production recently).

He's not an ideal fit, as he's not physical (which I've always noted), but you have to look at it in terms of will he score more goals and assists than guys like Guerin and Feds, for not that much more money? And the answer is yes. Plus he's younger, faster and more skilled than either of them.

So I'm not off the bandwagon for Versteeg (or Wheeler for that matter). I believe it's whether a guy can fit in here and be a consistent improvement over what we've had the last couple years, without breaking the bank... rather than "is he the perfect fit?" Because those guys are hard to find in any FA year.
with the capspace and assets we have finding the perfect fit is going to be difficult. Sid and Geno don't need the perfect fit they just need better than what we got them last year.

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Versteeg, without going into how likely he is to get, is a perrrrrfect fit. Yes he has flaws to his game, that's why he's making $3 million not $6 million. We don't need a winger that's going to hit everything in sight we need a winger that can shoot the damn puck and create space for our centers. Oh, and being able to skate from here to there before the sun goes down helps a lot too. I think it was game 3 or 4 he zoomed into the slot and fired a wrist shot that went in. That exemplifies what we need. Someone who can actually do something on their own.

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Versteeg, without going into how likely he is to get, is a perrrrrfect fit. Yes he has flaws to his game, that's why he's making $3 million not $6 million. We don't need a winger that's going to hit everything in sight we need a winger that can shoot the damn puck and create space for our centers. Oh, and being able to skate from here to there before the sun goes down helps a lot too. I think it was game 3 or 4 he zoomed into the slot and fired a wrist shot that went in. That exemplifies what we need. Someone who can actually do something on their own.
and he's versatile to, can play all both wings and centre at a push. He'd be great for the 2nd PP unit which lacks creativity from the forwards.

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He's not worth the No. 20, though, and we probably can't get him for any other package.

With Tallon in Florida and Dudley in Atlanta, the 'Hawks will dump their cap casualties in the Southeast Division...I'd bet on it.

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He's not worth the No. 20, though, and we probably can't get him for any other package.

With Tallon in Florida and Dudley in Atlanta, the 'Hawks will dump their cap casualties in the Southeast Division...I'd bet on it.
I think the Hawks will dump their cap casualties where ever they get the best offer from

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He's not worth the No. 20, though, and we probably can't get him for any other package.

With Tallon in Florida and Dudley in Atlanta, the 'Hawks will dump their cap casualties in the Southeast Division...I'd bet on it.
You don't think? I do. First off the draft is a crapshoot and second I'd be pleased if we drafted a 20 goal scorer with a little room to still grow with the 20th pick. Plus he helps us NOW.

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You don't think? I do. First off the draft is a crapshoot and second I'd be pleased if we drafted a 20 goal scorer with a little room to still grow with the 20th pick. Plus he helps us NOW.
It would be a little dissapointing not having a pick till the 3rd Round but once the season rolls around we wouldn't be regretting the move. Like you said he could help us now and in the future and I don't see many wingers in the Free Agent crop who could do the same.

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It would be a little dissapointing not having a pick till the 3rd Round but once the season rolls around we wouldn't be regretting the move. Like you said he could help us now and in the future and I don't see many wingers in the Free Agent crop who could do the same.
I cannot overstate how much I'm NOT counting on getting him but I don't really know what else one could possibly want for our situation: He'll score the # of goals we want for the price we want and he's young.

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How about something like trading:

Dupuis, Grant and 20th overal

for

Stafford and 23rd overal?


Then we could trade that 23rd (+ Jeffrey?) for Versteeg OR just keep the pick. Too much change in the team maybe, but this is just one idea.


Kunitz - Crosby - Versteeg/Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Stafford/Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
(Tangradi starts in AHL if we get Versteeg also)

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How about something like trading:

Dupuis, Grant and 20th overal

for

Stafford and 23rd overal?


Then we could trade that 23rd (+ Jeffrey?) for Versteeg OR just keep the pick. Too much change in the team maybe, but this is just one idea.


Kunitz - Crosby - Versteeg/Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Stafford/Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
(Tangradi starts in AHL if we get Versteeg also)
I think Stafford is a good option, he's going to cost less to get in terms of assets and he's cheaper in salary. I'd probably try and do a trade based around Dupuis + Prospect for Stafford and keep the 20th.

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How about something like trading:

Dupuis, Grant and 20th overal

for

Stafford and 23rd overal?


Then we could trade that 23rd (+ Jeffrey?) for Versteeg OR just keep the pick. Too much change in the team maybe, but this is just one idea.


Kunitz - Crosby - Versteeg/Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Stafford/Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
(Tangradi starts in AHL if we get Versteeg also)
I don't know about that trade in itself but I'm a huge proponent of trading Dupuis just because that money will make all the difference in the world even though it's only $1.4 million.

Here's what I would do: Just spend what you need to spend within reason and you can still trade Dupuis after free agency settles. He'll go for a draft pick to a bad team at worst so there's not much risk involved at all.

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Evgeni Malkin — $8,700,000
Sidney Crosby — $8,700,000
Jordan Staal — $4,000,000
Chris Kunitz — $3,725,000
* Ray Whitney — $2,750,000
* Drew Stafford — $1,900,000

Maxime Talbot — $1,050,000
Eric Tangradi ($137,500) $845,833
Michael Rupp — $825,000
Eric Godard — $750,000
Tyler Kennedy — $725,000
Craig Adams — $550,000
Mark Letestu — $500,000

DEFENSEMEN

* Zbynek Michalek — $3,750,000
Brooks Orpik — $3,750,000
Kristopher Letang — $3,500,000
* Jordan Leopold — $2,250,000
Alex Goligoski — $1,833,333
* Francis Bouillon — $1,500,000
* Ben Lovejoy — $650,000

GOALTENDERS

Marc-Andre Fleury — $5,000,000
Brent Johnson — $600,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $58,800,000
PAYROLL $57,854,167
BONUSES $137,500

CAP SPACE $1,083,333


Now THAT would be a roster with huge wiggle room!

Kunitz - Crosby - Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
Godard

Orpik - Letang
Goligoski - Michalek
Leopold - Bouillon
Lovejoy

I think this would be the best roster I've made here so far.

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Evgeni Malkin — $8,700,000
Sidney Crosby — $8,700,000
Jordan Staal — $4,000,000
Chris Kunitz — $3,725,000
* Ray Whitney — $2,750,000
* Drew Stafford — $1,900,000

Maxime Talbot — $1,050,000
Eric Tangradi ($137,500) $845,833
Michael Rupp — $825,000
Eric Godard — $750,000
Tyler Kennedy — $725,000
Craig Adams — $550,000
Mark Letestu — $500,000

DEFENSEMEN

* Zbynek Michalek — $3,750,000
Brooks Orpik — $3,750,000
Kristopher Letang — $3,500,000
* Jordan Leopold — $2,250,000
Alex Goligoski — $1,833,333
* Francis Bouillon — $1,500,000
* Ben Lovejoy — $650,000

GOALTENDERS

Marc-Andre Fleury — $5,000,000
Brent Johnson — $600,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $58,800,000
PAYROLL $57,854,167
BONUSES $137,500

CAP SPACE $1,083,333


Now THAT would be a roster with huge wiggle room!

Kunitz - Crosby - Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
Godard

Orpik - Letang
Goligoski - Michalek
Leopold - Bouillon
Lovejoy

I think this would be the best roster I've made here so far.
pretty balanced to, Top 6 could be great if Stafford lives up to his potential.

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Evgeni Malkin — $8,700,000
Sidney Crosby — $8,700,000
Jordan Staal — $4,000,000
Chris Kunitz — $3,725,000
* Ray Whitney — $2,750,000
* Drew Stafford — $1,900,000

Maxime Talbot — $1,050,000
Eric Tangradi ($137,500) $845,833
Michael Rupp — $825,000
Eric Godard — $750,000
Tyler Kennedy — $725,000
Craig Adams — $550,000
Mark Letestu — $500,000

DEFENSEMEN

* Zbynek Michalek — $3,750,000
Brooks Orpik — $3,750,000
Kristopher Letang — $3,500,000
* Jordan Leopold — $2,250,000
Alex Goligoski — $1,833,333
* Francis Bouillon — $1,500,000
* Ben Lovejoy — $650,000

GOALTENDERS

Marc-Andre Fleury — $5,000,000
Brent Johnson — $600,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 22
SALARY CAP $58,800,000
PAYROLL $57,854,167
BONUSES $137,500

CAP SPACE $1,083,333


Now THAT would be a roster with huge wiggle room!

Kunitz - Crosby - Stafford
Whitney - Malkin - Tangradi
Talbot - Staal - Kennedy
Rupp - Letestu - Adams
Godard

Orpik - Letang
Goligoski - Michalek
Leopold - Bouillon
Lovejoy

I think this would be the best roster I've made here so far.
Nice. Id think .25 of Leopolds and .5 of Bouillons money could go to Michaleks and all three would be okay. Could be these would work though.

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I think Stafford is a good option, he's going to cost less to get in terms of assets and he's cheaper in salary. I'd probably try and do a trade based around Dupuis + Prospect for Stafford and keep the 20th.
If we're seriously considering Stafford then why not just sign Armstrong, if he wants to comeback, and save an asset or two?

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If we're seriously considering Stafford then why not just sign Armstrong, if he wants to comeback, and save an asset or two?
Staffords cheaper and has higher offensive upside.

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Staffords cheaper and has higher offensive upside.
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What he said

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