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06-07-2010, 11:46 PM
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Flames Trying To Sign White

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cgy100607.html

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The Calgary Flames would like to get defenseman Ian White locked up to a new contract, but the Toronto Sun reports the two sides aren't close to a deal. White, set to become a restricted free agent July 1, had a cap hit $850,000 this past season, which was split between Calgary and the Maple Leafs.

According to the Sun, the Leafs traded White because they knew his contract demands would be too rich for their liking, which appears to be the case for the Flames.

In 83 games with the Leafs and Flames this past season, White picked up 13 goals and 25 assists for 38 points.

Meanwhile, the Flames are not expected to re-sign pending unrestricted free agents Vesa Toskala, Jamal Mayers, Colin Stuart and Brian McGrattan, while Chris Higgins' tenure with the club is up in the air.
Caught this on TFP:

Is Sutter is waiting for an offer sheet to see what people will actually pay White and what kind of compensation he might receive should White get an offer sheet from another team?

Could team owners have Sutter on a shorter leash to ensure they aren't going to get stuck with another bad contract?

Or are White's salary demands really that high? Based on his statements at the end of the season White seemed to have an interest in signing here so it seems a little odd that they aren't close to a deal.

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06-07-2010, 11:54 PM
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Has anything said about White and arbitration?

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06-08-2010, 12:03 AM
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Nothing mentioned about arbitration but thats probably a good way to settle contract negotiations for the Flames and White at this point. I think the deadline for players to request arbitration is July 5

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Obviously with the extensions Sutter handed out at the end of last season, the negotiation must have started already.

It's entirely possible that Whitey's trying to capitalize on his breakout season - which could mean starting salary demands in the $4 million + range.

It's a process, it'll get sorted out eventually. I'd prefer the Flames avoid arbitration though, because White could very well get $4+ from arbitration.

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Could team owners have Sutter on a shorter leash to ensure they aren't going to get stuck with another bad contract?

I highly doubt that to be the case.

Hopefully both sides can come to terms on a new deal. I'd like to see White stay.

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I highly doubt that to be the case.

Hopefully both sides can come to terms on a new deal. I'd like to see White stay.
Same here. But at more than 3.5M I would want to walk away. Like Sutter was quoted, give White a 1 year deal and go from there. Evaluate wether he is really worth the money and allow contracts to come off the books.

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Meanwhile, the Flames are not expected to re-sign pending unrestricted free agents Vesa Toskala, Jamal Mayers, Colin Stuart and Brian McGrattan, while Chris Higgins' tenure with the club is up in the air.

Interesting.

If Higgins could re-sign for $1-1.2M/yr, I'd be happy.

Not surprised to see Toskala not in the plans, with Sutter needing to clear up space. Or maybe Toskala wanted a starting position, and will have to look for his shot elsewhere.

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The word "trying" gave me shivers. I really want white to stay, one year at 3.5 wouldn't be half bad, see if he is worth the money he's asking or not, and as states before he did seem like he wanted to stay but I have also heard rumblings or white having a big ego too when he was younger, hopefully this breakout season isn't reigniting that. All in all I hope to see the mustache caper back in a flaming C next season,

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I would not be at all surprised if he is looking for something in the $4.0 range. Tom Gilbert is making $4.0 per year and White is every bit as good as Gilbert. I will absolutely shake my head if White is not re-signed. He doesn't necessarily have the leverage being a RFA but if they go the arbitration route; I could easily see him being awarded something in the neighbourhood of $4.0+. That will be yet another anchor around the Flames for the upcoming season.

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If the flames do not re-sign White then that trade is a bomb. He will be signed at 3.5 for a year I'm guessing, Sutter won't let him go.

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3.0 one or two year deal. If another team wants to pay 4.0 or more for a RFA the Flames get some good picks.

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If the flames do not re-sign White then that trade is a bomb. He will be signed at 3.5 for a year I'm guessing, Sutter won't let him go.
The trade is already a bomb. Let him walk.

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Here are the compensation brackets for last season regarding the RFA players and offer sheets... not sure if the brackets are released for 2010-2011 yet. If assuming White gets offered an offer sheet in the 3-4.5 range based on last years compensation the Flames would get a 2011 first round and third round pick.

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.

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Here are the compensation brackets for last season regarding the RFA players and offer sheets... not sure if the brackets are released for 2010-2011 yet. If assuming White gets offered an offer sheet in the 3-4.5 range based on last years compensation the Flames would get a 2011 first round and third round pick.

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.
thanks for the info.

Based on how the flames have drafted over the years I hope he can keep white.

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3.0 one or two year deal. If another team wants to pay 4.0 or more for a RFA the Flames get some good picks.
It would be a 1 year deal as he would still be RFA until July 1, 2011. Two years would put him over and allow him to demand FA value.

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thanks for the info.

Based on how the flames have drafted over the years I hope he can keep white.
The Flames have Erixon, Brodie and Seabrook who are some nice mobile moving defenseman in the pipeline.

Though they most likey are not ready for this upcoming season.




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If the flames do not re-sign White then that trade is a bomb. He will be signed at 3.5 for a year I'm guessing, Sutter won't let him go.
Unless a an offer sheet is in the range of the 1st and 3rd, not so much....

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It would be a 1 year deal as he would still be RFA until July 1, 2011. Two years would put him over and allow him to demand FA value.
A one year would be good for the flames considering Gio will be a UFA at the end of this up coming season

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It would be a 1 year deal as he would still be RFA until July 1, 2011. Two years would put him over and allow him to demand FA value.
Good point, if Sutter can sign White to somewhere ranging from 2.5 to 3.25 for one year that should be close. Then move Staios.

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Good point, if Sutter can sign White to somewhere ranging from 2.5 to 3.25 for one year that should be close. Then move Staios.
He won't sign for that...It'll probably have to be between 3.5 - 4 on a one year. White knows what he can get and he deserves it IMO.

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He won't sign for that...It'll probably have to be between 3.5 - 4 on a one year. White knows what he can get and he deserves it IMO.
Unless someone else offers White that kind of money, he will not get it. Darryl is a smart hockey person and he will not sign White for 3.5M+ unless he absolutely has to. Arbitration will screw White if he decides to go that route. He will get 3M.

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For half a season, White was a bargain.
Time will tell how this plays out.

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He won't sign for that...It'll probably have to be between 3.5 - 4 on a one year. White knows what he can get and he deserves it IMO.
Based on.... how many seasons, games etc. IMO it is rare a RFA is worth that after an entry level deal.

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What would happen if they went to arbitration and White was awarded a deal that the Flames felt is too expensive for them, and declined it? Would he still be an RFA?

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What would happen if they went to arbitration and White was awarded a deal that the Flames felt is too expensive for them, and declined it? Would he still be an RFA?
He would walk as a UFA.

This concerns me a hell of a lot more than an offer sheet.

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