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Has there ever been a guy whose skills eroded as quickly as Phillipe Boucher?

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06-08-2010, 11:06 PM
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Has there ever been a guy whose skills eroded as quickly as Phillipe Boucher?

Seriously, coming off an all-star season(yes many people credit Zubov with his year but he was a solid part of that pairing) and having easily the best year of his career(his previous best was the season before) the guy gets hurt and misses most of the next season. Just a year after that he gets traded to Pittsburgh, wins the cup and decides to go out on top. Now I'm sure going out on top had something to do with it but the guy just wasn't the same player anymore.

Can anyone think of any other examples of a guy coming off an all-star campaign who was out of the league shortly after?

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06-09-2010, 10:43 AM
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Gordie Howe. That scrub has 41 points and plays in the all-star game, and is nowhere to be found the next season. >_>

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I don't think Boucher is even a great example. I mean, he was an above-average player who was getting on in years. It wasn't that abnormal.

Wade Redden is the answer.

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The obvious one: Joe Juneau.

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He was 36 when he retired. A lot of players retire at that age. Other than playing in the all-star game he basically he had a fairly long and ordinary career interupted by a few trips to the minors. I don't think anyone ever referred to him as being an above average talent. Years from now when people talk about the best defensemen of the 90's and 00's his name won't come up.

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Todd Bertuzzi perhaps fits this bill.

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Mark Messier wasn't out of the league quickly after he left the Rangers for the first time in 97, but he probably should have been.

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He was 36 when he retired. A lot of players retire at that age. Other than playing in the all-star game he basically he had a fairly long and ordinary career interupted by a few trips to the minors. I don't think anyone ever referred to him as being an above average talent. Years from now when people talk about the best defensemen of the 90's and 00's his name won't come up.
For three seasons post-lockout, he was well above average.

I'm pretty sure THN even had him in their preseason top-20 once.

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Wade Redden is the answer.
Wade Redden is one of the most interesting ones imo. At an age where he is supposed to be in his prime, he looks washed up. That is one of the more rare cases I've seen.

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Craig Janney comes to mind and a quick flame-out!

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Craig Janney comes to mind and a quick flame-out!


the only answer.

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I thought Barry Beck had hall of fame talent, he could dominate with or without the puck. may have been injuries (back?) that derailed his career.

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Even if you think that your grandma could score 20 goals on Joe Thornton's wing, it's hard to argue that Jon Cheechoo hasn't been a colossal flameout in recent history.

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Even if you think that your grandma could score 20 goals on Joe Thornton's wing, it's hard to argue that Jon Cheechoo hasn't been a colossal flameout in recent history.
First name that came to my mind.

Blair MacDonald scored 46-48=94 at age 26 in Edmonton's inagural NHL season. He was reduced to playing in the AHL/Europe by age 29.

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First name that came to my mind.

Blair MacDonald scored 46-48=94 at age 26 in Edmonton's inagural NHL season. He was reduced to playing in the AHL/Europe by age 29.
I'm pretty sure he played with Gretzky that year and then Kurri came along the next season and replaced him. That will knock your point totals down in a hurry.

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I'm pretty sure he played with Gretzky that year and then Kurri came along the next season and replaced him. That will knock your point totals down in a hurry.
Like Warren Young with Mario Lemieux.

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I think Jimmy Carson might fit this.

straight out of the draft he started with 79, 107 and 100 point seasons and 37, 55 and 49 goas respectively.

this actually puts him first all time () as a 20 year old in goals and fourth in points!
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals.

then never topped 71 points (in 86 games in the crazy 92/93 season!).

that´s like going from superstar to average before even hitting your prime.

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I always thought Kamensky had a pretty steep decline curve.

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What happened to Mark Pavelich? Had a great first three seasons, then things went downhill quickly and by age 28 he was out of the league and only to be seen again in a short cameo for the Sharks in their inaugural season.

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What happened to Mark Pavelich? Had a great first three seasons, then things went downhill quickly and by age 28 he was out of the league and only to be seen again in a short cameo for the Sharks in their inaugural season.
What DID happen? He went to play in Italy.
What DIDN'T happen? A growth spurt.

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Rapid Decline

Jean-Guy Talbot - 1961-62 first team All-Star, Tom Johnson 1958-59 Norris and first team All Star, Harry Howell, 1966-67 Norris and first team All Star. All veteran defensemen who were solid and when given a chance by team circumstances - injuries, trades, new coach, stepped-up and performed well beyond expectations but with youngsters coming up and the league quickly adapting to their new role fell back to their level.

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What's Jimmy Carson's story?

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What's Jimmy Carson's story?
I think it was more head than body that gave out. the way I understand it he really liked it in L.A. and lost his drive after being traded and compared to the Great One. maybe somebody knows if there was also any damaging injuries involved.

he might have summed it up himself in this quote.

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"The end analysis was, I was not Wayne Gretzky," he says.
(http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...rts/sp-crowe15)
I recommend the article.

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Ron Sedlbauer and Wayne Babych come to mind. Ron a 40 goal scorer, traded mid-way through the next season I believe and mid-way through the next after.

Babych after a 54 goal campaign stuck around with the Blues for a while, ended in Pittsburgh and faded away. Could never hit 20 again.

Perry Turnbull started his career with 3 or 4 - 30 plus goal seasons. Power-forward too. Traded to Montreal and played half a season there before getting traded again for Lucien DeBlois. Couldn't score anymore.

I remember Robert Picard came into the league with Washington, had a copule great seasons offensively, then his offense almost totally dried up.

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Jim Carey, Blaine Lacher, Jose Theodore, Cristobal Huet....

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