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06-09-2010, 07:19 PM
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Okay, lets slow down here. Stepan does have first line potential, but that is potential at this point.

I am certain that he will attend prospect camp and then Traverse City. It is also almost certain that he will also attend at least the beginning of the main training camp (before guys are sent to the AHL training camp). At that point, the Rangers will know much more about how ready Stepan is for professional play.

This is a good move for Stepan, given what is happening with the defections from Badger hockey this coming season. Worst case scenario, he plays with a highly competitive WHL team.

It will be exciting to watch.

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06-09-2010, 07:24 PM
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we really wouldnt be that bad next year if we went with a youth movement. This is what our line-up looked like to end the season(I am going to put callahan and avery in there just so it's the best possible line-up)

09-10*Brandon Dubinsky - Erik Christensen - Marian Gaborik
09-10*Vinny Prospal (A) - Olli Jokinen - P.A. Parenteau
09-10*Avery - Chris Drury (C) -Callahan
09-10*Jody Shelley - Artem Anisimov - Brandon Prust

09-10*Staal-Girardi
09-10* Rozi-mdz
09-10* Redden-Erikson

10-11* Dubi-Christensen-Gabby (Same line wash, if anything better with a healthier dubi and more confident christensen)

10-11* avery-stepan-mza (vinny and avery isn't much of a diff. if avery plays consistent. Also, prospal is due for a down year anyway. MZA= upgrade over pa. and I would hope to god anyone on skates could do a better job than joke did here.

10-11*Byers-Anisimov-Callahan (Pretty similar in skill level to the average skill of out typical kind of 3rd line last year)

10-11* prust-drury-weise (Better 4th line than last year other than the monster 2 weeks our 4th line had last year)

10-11*Staal Girardi(another year of experience=better)
10-11* Rozi-MDZ(another year of experience=better)
10-11* McDonaugh-sangs(at the very least equal to our bottom pair of last season)

This is if we went with an absolute 100% youth movement
very similar to last years team

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06-09-2010, 07:25 PM
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Great in theory... but we need at least one point man to have a decent shot. I'm pretty sure Kovy plays the point anyway. Kovalchuk and Gaborik on the same pp is insane though. That's like only can happen in a video game scary good.
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Gaborik Dubinsky

Koavluck (One timer) Stepan

Del Zotto


Problem is that Kovalchuk and Stepan like to play on the same side on the PP.

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06-09-2010, 07:26 PM
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Drury is not going to be the 4th line center people.

Stepan is most likely not going to step in and be the #1/2 center. He just isnt ready.

Just be excited he signed and will be a pro somewhere.

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06-09-2010, 07:30 PM
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I don't think I can see him going to the WHL, but it won't be that bad if he does. Didn't he and his coach say he played his best hockey when he is playing physical? if he goes to the WHL, he has no choice but to play physical as the WHL is the toughest of the 3 junior leagues.

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06-09-2010, 07:32 PM
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Drury is not going to be the 4th line center people.

Stepan is most likely not going to step in and be the #1/2 center. He just isnt ready.

Just be excited he signed and will be a pro somewhere.
Drury has to hit the Wing. Sign a Lombardi or make a deal for a Sharp.............then Anisimov, Christiensen, Boyle..Drury on 3rd line RW and C a PK

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06-09-2010, 07:32 PM
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He dominated college hockey in his soph year and was the leading scorer in the WJC. It's not just the 54 points in 41 games, it's his hockey sense. The kid has nothing to prove against kids anymore. If he dominated down there because of his size or skating, I'd say keep him and let him round-out his game.

But Step's game is perfectly well rounded out, at least for a college kid. He didn't dominate because of his size, skills or skating. He played great because he was able to play like a vet, putting all his assets together.

Step belongs in Hart.

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06-09-2010, 07:33 PM
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Thinking about this, makes me want Connolly if he's healthy.

Kreider - Dubinsky - Gaborik
Connolly - Stepan - Callahan
Zuccarello - Anisimov - Grachev
Byers - Werek - Weise

Staal - Sanguinetti
Del Zotto - Girardi
McDonagh - Ramage ()

Lundqvist
Johnson

Sweet.

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06-09-2010, 07:33 PM
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Drury is not going to be the 4th line center people.

Stepan is most likely not going to step in and be the #1/2 center. He just isnt ready.

Just be excited he signed and will be a pro somewhere.
Bingo...I would like to see how he does in the WHL. Its a tough league where he is really going to have to work hard if he wants to be successful.

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06-09-2010, 07:34 PM
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Thanks inferno, and Kovalchuk definitely seems possible if lets just say Sather was telling the truth and wanted to go with young guys. I haven't heard of any potential bonus money tied to Stepan, so if he makes it you could see our line up something crazy like this...

Dubinsky-Anisimov-Gaborik (1.85+.822+7.5) = 10.172
Kovalchuk-Stepan-MZA (7.5+.875+1.75) = 10.125
Avery-Drury-Callahan (1.938+7.05+2.3) = 11.288
Byers-Boyle-Prust (.550?+.525+.750) = 1.825
Shelley Weise
Total for Offense = 33.41

Staal-Volchenkov (3.5+5) = 8.5
Del Zotto-Girardi (1.087+2.75) = 3.837
McD-Gilroy/Sangs/Sauer/FA (.875+1.75) = 2.625

Total for Defense = 14.962

Lundqvist (6.875)
Hedberg (1.200)

Total for all that runs 56.447 only missing potential bonuses of McD and Stepan. There's also just over a million of rollover bonus money in Del Zotto and MZA that can create more cap space.

I think RangerBoy said that if the cap goes up that 2 million and change it comes to right around 59.54 million. Leaving just over 3 million to absorb Voros & Brashear if we have to. For the remaining talent I'd ship christensen and lisin to whoever wanted them, and Rozsival for a pick and of course Redden welcome to Hartford.

It's got youth, key veterans, and for those two younger centers each has a star player to help carry the line.

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06-09-2010, 07:34 PM
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Drury has to hit the Wing. Sign a Lombardi or make a deal for a Sharp.............then Anisimov, Christiensen, Boyle..Drury on 3rd line RW and C a PK
Its a moot point because Stepan most likely wont make the team out of camp. Drury can be moved to wing but he is the best face-off man on the team.

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06-09-2010, 07:50 PM
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Thinking about this, makes me want Connolly if he's healthy.

Kreider - Dubinsky - Gaborik
Connolly - Stepan - Callahan
Zuccarello - Anisimov - Grachev
Byers - Werek - Weise

Staal - Sanguinetti
Del Zotto - Girardi
McDonagh - Ramage ()

Lundqvist
Johnson

Sweet.
Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.

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06-09-2010, 07:52 PM
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Its a moot point because Stepan most likely wont make the team out of camp. Drury can be moved to wing but he is the best face-off man on the team.
exactly, some people don't seem to realize just how important faceoffs are.

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06-09-2010, 07:54 PM
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Thinking about this, makes me want Connolly if he's healthy.

Kreider - Dubinsky - Gaborik
Connolly - Stepan - Callahan
Zuccarello - Anisimov - Grachev
Byers - Werek - Weise

Staal - Sanguinetti
Del Zotto - Girardi
McDonagh - Ramage ()

Lundqvist
Johnson

Sweet.
in 3-4 years this would be sweet but you can't rely on byers and weise to answer the bell. therefore i'd like to keep prust around for a long long time

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06-09-2010, 07:54 PM
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Either way, gotta get the kid a legit sniper (right handed shot) on his LW.

Trading up for Connolly in the draft could be a good way to do that.
Now this I can get behind 100%


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Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.
uhh yeah, Dubinsky isn't a 1st line center

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Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.
12 players who haven't proven ANYTHING in the NHL yet? It could end up being the worst team in hockey history just as easily as it could be a good one.

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06-09-2010, 07:59 PM
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Now this I can get behind 100%




uhh yeah, Dubinsky isn't a 1st line center
i wouldn't give up on dubi yet. i'd say to this day he is a 2nd line center as he proved in the WC's. He very well could still develop into a 1st line center(hopefully)

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i wouldn't give up on dubi yet. i'd say to this day he is a 2nd line center as he proved in the WC's. He very well could still develop into a 1st line center(hopefully)
He is not, nor should he be, a center. He is a left winger as it simplifies his game and allows for him to be the North-South player he needs to be in order to be successful.

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i wouldn't give up on dubi yet. i'd say to this day he is a 2nd line center as he proved in the WC's. He very well could still develop into a 1st line center(hopefully)
Except for special situations, he is likely to play wing for the majority of the remainder of his time in NY, if not his career. His game is better suited to playing on the wing.

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12 players who haven't proven ANYTHING in the NHL yet? It could end up being the worst team in hockey history just as easily as it could be a good one.
LOL +1. I understand this is Hockey's Future where everyone's got a hard on for potential but if we have Stepan, Grachev, MZA, Callahan, and Avery in our top six next year and we're FUBAR.

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Thinking about this, makes me want Connolly if he's healthy.

Kreider - Dubinsky - Gaborik
Connolly - Stepan - Callahan
Zuccarello - Anisimov - Grachev
Byers - Werek - Weise

Staal - Sanguinetti
Del Zotto - Girardi
McDonagh - Ramage ()

Lundqvist
Johnson

Sweet.
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Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.
yes, no 1st line center. plenty if all those prospects don't reach their potential, but I remain hopeful

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Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.
Oh come on man, please tell me this is sarcasm or I'm going to lose all hope in this forum

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Good ****ing god. Does that lineup have a weakness? One can dream.
yer kiddin right ?

um, dubinsky as a 1c.

callahan playin on the 2nd line ? please remember, the reason he played top 6 last year is because we werent very talented.

mza on the 3rd line ?? top 6 or bust for this guy.

werek on the 4th line getting 5 minutes per game? please stop.

sanguinetti as a 1st pair guy. defensively, that wont work.

and mcd on the 3rd pair. that makes no sense.

other than that, yeah looks great

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according to papa stepan he's either gonna make the team or play in hartford. no mention of junior.

http://host.madison.com/sports/colle...cc4c002e0.html

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Drury is not going to be the 4th line center people.

Stepan is most likely not going to step in and be the #1/2 center. He just isnt ready.

Just be excited he signed and will be a pro somewhere.
Chris Drury is a 4th line center at this point. 32 points last year and its doubtful he will get any better next year.

In terms of production, he is only a little better than your best 4th line centers and thats with many more minutes and powerplay time.

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