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06-10-2010, 08:10 PM
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Teams forced to make bad trades due to salary cap/ self imposed cap

With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
Columbus Blue Jackets
New York Islanders

the possibles:
St. Louis Blues
Buffalo Sabres

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06-10-2010, 08:16 PM
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With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
Columbus Blue Jackets
New York Islanders

the possibles:
St. Louis Blues
Buffalo Sabres
The Islanders are 13 million under the cap floor is anything they will be taking on those bad deals

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06-10-2010, 08:18 PM
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No reason for the Panthers to be on that list. They may have plenty of guys available due to rebuilding or re-shaping the franchise, but they won't be looking to dump salary for the sake of saving money or getting under the cap.

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PHX is welllllll below the cap. Not sure why they are on the list.

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With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
Columbus Blue Jackets
New York Islanders

the possibles:
St. Louis Blues
Buffalo Sabres
The new lightning owners screwed over Boyle and blackmailed him with threat of putting him on waivers (And being picked up by Thrashers) if he didn't waive his NTC

There was no reason good reason the Lightning had to move him

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Montréal could be one of those teams, which is why I keep suggesting something like Chris Clark + a low tier d from Columbus for Hamrlik. Columbus needs a puck mover d who can eat up minutes. Hamrlik can do that, he has 1 year left and then he's a UFA.

Montréal needs gritty bottom 6 players, a la Clark, who also has leadership. The other d is a just incase. Helps get salaries closer, but still helps Montréal in their ultimate goal of reducing salary.

Makes sense in theory, but maybe Columbus can't dish out the 5.5 mill Hammer is due to make ?

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Montréal could be one of those teams, which is why I keep suggesting something like Chris Clark + a low tier d from Columbus for Hamrlik. Columbus needs a puck mover d who can eat up minutes. Hamrlik can do that, he has 1 year left and then he's a UFA.

Montréal needs gritty bottom 6 players, a la Clark, who also has leadership. The other d is a just incase. Helps get salaries closer, but still helps Montréal in their ultimate goal of reducing salary.

Makes sense in theory, but maybe Columbus can't dish out the 5.5 mill Hammer is due to make ?
Hammer has a NTC. There is no way he would have Columbus on his list of teams he would agree to join.

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Carolina won't be on this list. If we are dealing guys, it'll be the likes of Cole, LaRose, Samsonov and Brind'Amour. Even then, the only factor that would make us deal guys is our internal salary cap. Karmanos won't stranglehold us into being forced to deal one of our big contracts, he wants to win as much as us.

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With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
You are right. Given the self imposed cap, the Canes may be forced to get rid of players like Rod Brind'Amour, Sergei Samsonov or Erik Cole.

It would be tragic.

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No reason for the Panthers to be on that list. They may have plenty of guys available due to rebuilding or re-shaping the franchise, but they won't be looking to dump salary for the sake of saving money or getting under the cap.
I think the posters point was also that some teams will have a self impossed cap lower than that of the NHL... Carolina rumors say that thier imposed cap is 44 million.. while current payroll is 46 million. Some of these teams that are loosing large sums of money and the owners want to reduce salary could be forced into dropping players based on them making "too much money" Someone like Florida, Tampa, Phx, carolina, columbus, etc might be on that list.

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With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
Columbus Blue Jackets
New York Islanders

the possibles:
St. Louis Blues
Buffalo Sabres
Columbus? First, we don't HAVE to trade anyone. But even if we did, who do we possibly have that would be bad to trade?

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I think the posters point was also that some teams will have a self impossed cap lower than that of the NHL... Carolina rumors say that thier imposed cap is 44 million.. while current payroll is 46 million. Some of these teams that are loosing large sums of money and the owners want to reduce salary could be forced into dropping players based on them making "too much money" Someone like Florida, Tampa, Phx, carolina, columbus, etc might be on that list.
True..but the OP's point was also that the teams would be forced to get rid of solid players that they wouldn't normally want to get rid of in order to meet the cap (NHL or self imposed).

In Carolinas case...they will focus on getting rid of guys who have contracts that expire next year anyhow and are "expensive" (Brind'Amour, Cole, Samsonov, and maybe LaRose) either via trade or buyout. They won't be getting rid of any solid players (Sutter, Staal, Ward, Gleason, etc...) in order to meet an internal cap.

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I think the posters point was also that some teams will have a self impossed cap lower than that of the NHL... Carolina rumors say that thier imposed cap is 44 million.. while current payroll is 46 million. Some of these teams that are loosing large sums of money and the owners want to reduce salary could be forced into dropping players based on them making "too much money" Someone like Florida, Tampa, Phx, carolina, columbus, etc might be on that list.
Right, but even still Florida doesn't fit that list. Their cap number isn't very high at all, and their new ownership is thought to be willing to spend more. It's possible their cap number goes down next season, but it won't be for financial purposes, it will be to rebuild this team in the mold Tallon wants.

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Buffalo has absolutely no pressing financial issues that would cause them to move a player they wouldn't want to.

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No one is forced to make bad trades. If that is the case they traded the wrong guy and got the wrong compensation.

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Atlanta shouldn't be on that list. Why would they be forced to make bad trades when they have plenty of cap space.

In fact they would be looking to take advantage of teams in cap trouble for their benefit.

Over the past few years they have picked up

Schneider for a marginal player (I think it was Kip Brennan) then flipped him at the deadline to Montreal for draft picks (2nd & 3rd round picks).

Kubina for Exelby.

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I don't understand. Why is Atlanta on this list?

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I thought Upshall for Carcillo was pretty bad deal. Sure Carcillo is a good player but Upshall is easily better.

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Buffalo has a lot of cap room coming off with UFAs and Connolly will likely be moved. were in good shape

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With the exception of Chicago, which everyone knows they'll have salary cap problems next season.

2 summers ago, we watched as Tampa traded Dan Boyle to San Jose. even though it may have something to do with his previous injury shortened season. Finance was a big part of it.

This season there'll be teams that will be forced to trade some players which otherwise should not be traded due to NHL Salary Cap, or the team's own Self-imposed cap

For example:
Could Shea Weber be dumped in a trade that makes very little sense to Nashville, in order to get more value for him before he hits RFA. If the Preds. do not think they can afford giving Weber the big contract which he deserves.

My list:
Nashville Predators
Florida Panthers
Phoenix Coyotes
Atlanta Thrashers
Dallas Stars
Carolina Hurricanes
Columbus Blue Jackets
New York Islanders

the possibles:
St. Louis Blues
Buffalo Sabres
take them off the list

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PHX is welllllll below the cap. Not sure why they are on the list.
Bettman acknowedged on HNIC radio that the Coyotes have an internal budget that the league has imposed on them to keep the team at a reasonable level of expenditures that will permit the sale of the team.

He said that the Maloney was extremely effective at playing within the limits he was given, but there was most certainly a payroll limit that is below the league cap.

There's no way that PHX can spend to the cap, continuing to bleed money, while looking for a buyer who would then be stuck with the increased payroll.

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Carolina won't be on this list. If we are dealing guys, it'll be the likes of Cole, LaRose, Samsonov and Brind'Amour. Even then, the only factor that would make us deal guys is our internal salary cap. Karmanos won't stranglehold us into being forced to deal one of our big contracts, he wants to win as much as us.
Karmanos has already said that he's looking at cutting the payroll significantly so that he can get some investors on board. The number that was being thrown around was 40. Not sure what the floor is, but 40 is an awfully low number for a team that seems to do real well with regards to attendance.....

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so apparently nobody is on this list according to all the posters from each respective team....

anyways how did the chicago blackhawks miss this list its almost a garuntee they are going to lose a couple guys (sharp,byfuglien,versteeg,bolland are in that position) in bad trades due to their well documented cap struggle on the horizon

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San Jose trading Ehrhoff would be a good example of a team making a bad trade for cap space. Not because of self-imposed cap though.

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the list is something i quickly came up with

there'll be some teams that shouldn't be on and some that i've missed

one of my biggest factors in this list are self imposed caps. even though they may be well below the salary cap peak, some owners in different situations just can't afford payrolls of that capacity.

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