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06-11-2010, 10:39 AM
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Right now they have $8.8M in cap space available. A starting goaltender will likely cost you $3M, plus Leighton at $2M, but let's say for the sake or argument that they get both for $4M, a very reasonable price for a goaltending tandem.

This leave $4.8M. Resigning Coburn will cost at least $3M. If, as you say, they don't want Carcillo back, then they'll have to find someone to replace him, likely not for less than $1M.

This leaves them with 800K to sign at least two more defensemen and a player or two to provide some depth at forward.
You're forgetting Boucher. He's under contract adn will likely be the backup.... but that's beyond the point. Let's say they run 3 goaltenders.

The cap is going up by $2m so they'd have 6.8 remaining. Say you get Coburn for $3m, and you've got $3.8 to sign a 3rd line RW, 4th line LW, 5th defenceman and 7th defenceman. In other words, no big deal.

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06-11-2010, 10:51 AM
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You're forgetting Boucher. He's under contract adn will likely be the backup.... but that's beyond the point. Let's say they run 3 goaltenders.

The cap is going up by $2m so they'd have 6.8 remaining. Say you get Coburn for $3m, and you've got $3.8 to sign a 3rd line RW, 4th line LW, 5th defenceman and 7th defenceman. In other words, no big deal.
I see your point about the cap increase - I'd neglected that in my math.

It'll put Philly close up against the cap, but I could see that it would work without having to lose a top player. Do you think they'll try and source the depth from within the organization (i.e. Syvret for one of the defensive spots, Nodl up front) or go the UFA route?

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06-11-2010, 11:05 AM
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I see your point about the cap increase - I'd neglected that in my math.

It'll put Philly close up against the cap, but I could see that it would work without having to lose a top player. Do you think they'll try and source the depth from within the organization (i.e. Syvret for one of the defensive spots, Nodl up front) or go the UFA route?
It'll definitely work without having to lose a top player. The cap is almost a non-issue for them. It'll prevent a big name acquisition but won't force them to lose anyone. My guess is that they go the UFA route for a #5 defenceman since there's nobody in the organization to play that role right now and they desparately need one in case any of their big 4 get hurt. They'll then leave the #7 role up for a battle internally between Syvret and Marshall.

Parent will problably see his rights traded or brought back if they can do so cheap in a #6/7 role.

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06-11-2010, 11:49 AM
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The Coyotes won't be forced to make bad trades, but nontheless they may need to make trades. Finally the NHL has giving GMDM the mandated team salary cap, which is an increase from this past season, so I expect the team to start resigning players. Some players will probably wait to see how the ownership pans out before resigning (maybe hoping for a longer term contract than can be offered ATM).
Speculation has it that the Coyotes will trade Vandermeer and let Lang and Schneider walk (retirement?).
Most players have expressed a desire to keep the core of the team intact, so IMO most will resign.
The Coyotes do have to answer some questions before the start of next season:

can Sauer come back?
will Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Maxim Goncharov, and Kyle Turris make the everyday roster?
which UFA's will leave?
which RFA's will sign to reasonable (for the Coyote budget) contracts?
And the biggest question - will they have a new owner by then?
so. depending on the outcome of these questions, they may seek trades, but they will not need to because of salary cap restrictions.

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06-11-2010, 12:33 PM
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The Flyers are fine for the cap for next season. What are you talking about?
Umm, you've misunderstood the quote completely. What I said was, we are going to continue to see the league value of players dropping as teams are pushed up against the cap. Jeff Carter, who is a $5 million hit against the cap will not fetch the return Holmgren thinks Carter is worth.

I still think they need to unload someone especially if they want a consistent goaltender. Although, Leighton as the starter would be interesting. It really worked for Craig Anderson in Colorado last year and may work in Philly again.

We'll just have to see.

Philly is going to be fine...sort of. Next year they will probably come close to the cap. The problem will be in the summer of 2011 when Giroux and Leino are looking for new contracts. Gagne and Carter will look to renew their contracts. Then the year after that, JVR will be needing more money or he'll be gone. I don't foresee any of those guys accepting less money and probably will demand more. I guess you are hoping the cap goes up again or there is a lockout/strike.

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06-11-2010, 12:34 PM
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I'm afraid they're not - only 16 players signed, no starting goalie, only four defencemen, no Coburn or Carcillo or Parent... The Flyers have to drop some salary unless the Zamboni driver is willing to play for popcorn.
They need 2-3 forwards, 2-3 defensemen, and a goalie. Pretty easy. Coburn is the only guy that will cost anything.

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06-11-2010, 12:37 PM
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Umm, you've misunderstood the quote completely. What I said was, we are going to continue to see the league value of players dropping as teams are pushed up against the cap. Jeff Carter, who is a $5 million hit against the cap will not fetch the return Holmgren thinks Carter is worth.
But Carter isn't going to be moved, anyway. I guess I don't understand your point.


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I still think they need to unload someone especially if they want a consistent goaltender. Although, Leighton as the starter would be interesting. It really worked for Craig Anderson in Colorado last year and may work in Philly again.

We'll just have to see.
I hope Leighton is not the starter, but I guess it could be worse. I doubt they throw money at a veteran starter. They need someone until Eriksson or Bobrovsky are ready to go.


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Philly is going to be fine...sort of. Next year they will probably come close to the cap. The problem will be in the summer of 2011 when Giroux and Leino are looking for new contracts. Gagne and Carter will look to renew their contracts. Then the year after that, JVR will be needing more money or he'll be gone. I don't foresee any of those guys accepting less money and probably will demand more. I guess you are hoping the cap goes up again or there is a lockout/strike.
I've resigned myself to losing Gagne. It's the only way to keep everyone else.

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06-11-2010, 12:49 PM
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Legwand from NSH and Olesz from FLA are the only ones I could see being moved for very little, due to internal cap constraints.

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Nashville won't be making any big signings this year, but even with a re-signing Hornqvist and Franson, and one of Hamhuis or Grebeshkov, they'll still be in good enough shape\close enough to budget to make it work for another year....when almost ten million dollars of Jason Arnott and JP Dumont come off the books. At that time, Weber will be given a Duncan Keith-like deal, and we can stop having these ridiculous "We'll offer picks and prospects and get Weber!" threads.

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San Jose trading Ehrhoff would be a good example of a team making a bad trade for cap space. Not because of self-imposed cap though.
In an effort to get cap space ASAP to make a move for a 40 goal scorer. Hardly comparible with Chicago's situation.

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06-11-2010, 02:32 PM
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the list is something i quickly came up with

there'll be some teams that shouldn't be on and some that i've missed

one of my biggest factors in this list are self imposed caps. even though they may be well below the salary cap peak, some owners in different situations just can't afford payrolls of that capacity.
Islanders have the money to spend. Wang has chose not to waste money since we are rebuilding. I.E. we decided barely making it into the playoffs in the last spot with a spotty team, not worth money. I believe this year we will be spending, not to the cap but some acquisitions.

Islanders are not anywhere in financial troubles just having issues of getting a new arena.

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06-11-2010, 02:40 PM
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This should help determine what teams have what payroll!

2010-11 Cap Crunch
TEAM NO PAYROLL CAP SPACE
Chicago Blackhawks 14 $57,598,003 $-798,003 **
Calgary Flames 17 $53,379,167 $3,845,833
Boston Bruins 18 $54,162,143 $4,302,857
Detroit Red Wings 17 $52,254,545 $4,545,455
Ottawa Senators 19 $50,254,167 $7,395,833
Philadelphia Flyers 16 $48,609,762 $8,827,738
Florida Panthers 19 $48,907,500 $9,380,000
Vancouver Canucks 17 $47,301,667 $9,498,333
Columbus Blue Jackets 18 $47,594,583 $9,680,417
Toronto Maple Leafs 17 $51,033,333 $10,026,667
Minnesota Wild 17 $47,417,778 $10,357,222
New York Rangers 15 $47,346,667 $10,515,833
Pittsburgh Penguins 16 $45,954,167 $10,983,333
Montreal Canadiens 14 $45,707,143 $11,207,857
Buffalo Sabres 16 $46,342,857 $11,247,143
Washington Capitals 14 $43,447,628 $13,352,372
Edmonton Oilers 15 $43,366,667 $14,248,333
Dallas Stars 17 $42,813,333 $14,416,667
Los Angeles Kings 16 $44,713,334 $14,926,666
Carolina Hurricanes 15 $41,908,333 $15,241,667
Nashville Predators 17 $42,041,667 $15,720,833
New Jersey Devils 15 $41,100,000 $15,940,000
Anaheim Ducks 19 $38,452,917 $18,759,583
San Jose Sharks 12 $36,990,000 $20,525,000
Tampa Bay Lightning 13 $40,031,083 $21,028,917
Phoenix Coyotes 16 $33,787,500 $23,312,500
Colorado Avalanche 16 $32,035,000 $27,552,500
St. Louis Blues 12 $28,923,333 $29,126,667
New York Islanders 17 $31,858,400 $29,201,600
Atlanta Thrashers 13 $30,076,667 $30,983,333

** Note: Chicago loses 1.2 mil of cap space this coming season for Toews 1.2 mil bonus of winner Conn Smythe trophy!

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06-11-2010, 03:02 PM
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How are the Isles on your list?

Nucks are pretty tight pressed right now.9 mill space for 8 guys

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06-11-2010, 03:12 PM
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Anaheim could be on this list. They really won't be forced to make a bad trade, but it would be very beneficial to package an asset with Blake and/or Eminger to get rid of them since neither player has a place on this team and both are overpaid.

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