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06-09-2010, 01:51 PM
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Would Kovalchuk ever sign with the Wild?

Just a quick couple questions for eveyone to peruse, so after reading thru the Fletch has got his work cut out for him thread, I saw the name Kovalchuk come up. Now I personally don't believe that there's a snowball's chance in hell that he would ever sign here, let alone if we could even figure out a way to afford his contract but is there any possibility that the Wild would / could sign him? So to summarize, here's my questions...

Is it even a possibility to land him? For that matter do you think that we Would / Will even try for him?

What kind of moves would need to happen to even be able to afford him?

What team(s) have the most legit shot at landing him?

(just for fun) If we could get him, what line would you put him on?

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I'd say there's about as much of chance of Kovalchuk signing with the Wild as there is John Mayasich.

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1. Somewhere between the Wolves' shot at landing Lebron James and the Vikings getting a new stadium.

2. Something which would tell Kovalchuk and others that the Wild are committed to being contenders.

3. LA, NJ, NYR (never count them out), COL, KHL

4. Koivu line by default although Kovalchuk is one of the few players in the league where it doesn't matter what line he's on - he will be able to produce scoring on his own.

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Is it even a possibility to land him? For that matter do you think that we Would / Will even try for him?

What kind of moves would need to happen to even be able to afford him?

What team(s) have the most legit shot at landing him?

(just for fun) If we could get him, what line would you put him on?

1. Possible, but improbable.

2. One of Brunette, Miettenen or Kobasew would have to be moved for picks/prospects. One of Barker or Schultz for picks/prospects. Basically whatever you can get that wouldn't necessarily count against the cap.

3. I think it'll be LA or Colorado. St. Louis has cap room.

4. I'd put him on Koivu's line.

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06-09-2010, 02:16 PM
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Yeah, I threw his name out there. Here's why:

Eastern Teams
No Cap space
Bruins
Habs
Senators
Devils
Rangers
Flyers
Pens
Caps
Lightning

Cap space, but internal financial constraints
Sabres
Islanders
Hurricanes

Cap Space, but teams worse than the Wild
Florida
Atlanta
Toronto

That's everybody in the eastern conference with some knock against them.

Western Teams
No Cap Space
Chicago
Wings
Flames
Nucks
Sharks

Cap space, but internal financial concerns
Stars
Coyotes
Nashville
Columbus

Cap Space but teams worse than Wild
Oilers

Possible Candidates
LA - talk that they are interested in trade for cheaper scoring winger (think Chicago)
Anaheim - Possible, but needs blueline help first
Colorado - Is that the direction they want to go?
St Louis - See Colorado.

So, in summary, I only really see the Wild, LA, Anaheim, Colorado, and St. Loius being realistic locations for Kovalchuk.

And there is no reason that the Wild can't put together a competitive offer when compared to those hand-full of teams.

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06-09-2010, 03:24 PM
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Yeah, I threw his name out there. Here's why:

Eastern Teams
No Cap space
Bruins
Habs
Senators
Devils
Rangers
Flyers
Pens
Caps
Lightning

Cap space, but internal financial constraints
Sabres
Islanders
Hurricanes

Cap Space, but teams worse than the Wild
Florida
Atlanta
Toronto

That's everybody in the eastern conference with some knock against them.

Western Teams
No Cap Space
Chicago
Wings
Flames
Nucks
Sharks

Cap space, but internal financial concerns
Stars
Coyotes
Nashville
Columbus

Cap Space but teams worse than Wild
Oilers

Possible Candidates
LA - talk that they are interested in trade for cheaper scoring winger (think Chicago)
Anaheim - Possible, but needs blueline help first
Colorado - Is that the direction they want to go?
St Louis - See Colorado.

So, in summary, I only really see the Wild, LA, Anaheim, Colorado, and St. Loius being realistic locations for Kovalchuk.

And there is no reason that the Wild can't put together a competitive offer when compared to those hand-full of teams.
I have heard talk recently that LA wants Marleau instead; I believe Kovy goes to TO. The Wild could definitely make a run at Kovy IF Fletcher can move Nick Schultz for picks/prospects AND they realize immediately that PMB will not be available until mid-season at the earliest. By my calculations this would put the Wild around $37.5m for 14 players.

If that were the case the Wild could sign the following players to fill out their roster:

* Ilya Kovalchuk — $7,750,000
Martin Havlat — $5,000,000
Mikko Koivu — $3,250,000
* Matt Cullen — $2,700,000
Andrew Brunette — $2,333,333
Antti Miettinen — $2,333,333
Chuck Kobasew — $2,333,333
* Guillaume Latendresse — $2,300,000
Cal Clutterbuck — $1,400,000
Casey Wellman ($900,000) $1,350,000
Kyle Brodziak — $1,150,000
* James Sheppard — $800,000
Cody Almond ($75,000) $643,333
* Matt Kassian — $500,000

DEFENSEMEN
Marek Zidlicky — $4,000,000
Brent Burns — $3,550,000
Cam Barker — $3,083,333
Greg Zanon — $1,933,333
Marco Scandella ($202,500) $875,000
* Shane Hnidy — $800,000
Clayton Stoner — $550,000

GOALTENDERS
Niklas Backstrom — $6,000,000
* Josh Harding — $1,500,000

That would be $57.1m on a $58.5m cap.


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I have heard talk recently that LA wants Marleau instead; I believe Kovy goes to TO.
Why would Kovalchuk go to a team with LESS forward support than the one he just left?

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Why would Kovalchuk go to a team with LESS forward support than the one he just left?
Money, prestige, money, Burke's track record, money, playing with Kessel, money, endorsements, money, money.

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Money, prestige, money, Burke's track record, money, playing with Kessel, money, endorsements, money, money.
You mean:

No more money than elsewhere, prestige of getting slammed by the Canadian media everyday when Kovy doesn't single-handledly win every game for Toronto, Burke's track record of trading away the 2nd overall pick on a team that clearly should have been rebuilding, playing with Kessel who will take all the shots Kovy wants himsel, endorsements (true).

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i wouldnt be shocked if he signed here. but i dont expect him to. we may not need to get rid of as much as we think with the cap supposedly going up 2mil. i see our owner pushing for him. hes agressive and wants top talent. hed clearly be on a line with koivu and brunette which would give him huge numbers.... i also see him entertaining the idea due to the amount hed make off endorements, jersey sales and such. i have seen him rumored to be traded here for years so i wouldnt be too shocked. the only problem id see is left over money to resign koivu.

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You mean:

No more money than elsewhere, prestige of getting slammed by the Canadian media everyday when Kovy doesn't single-handledly win every game for Toronto, Burke's track record of trading away the 2nd overall pick on a team that clearly should have been rebuilding, playing with Kessel who will take all the shots Kovy wants himsel, endorsements (true).
No I mean, more money due to offering the same amount plus endorsements, the prestige of playing in a big market and what comes with it (amazingly top self-centered athletes love to play for those big market teams), having a Stanley Cup architect as a GM and not worrying about a second line (i.e. Phil Kessel) and playing time.

Do I think that Kovalchuk will sign with Toronto? I wouldn't bet money on it, but he has a better of heading there than St. Paul.

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Pipe Dream:
PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT
FORWARDS
* Kovalchuk — $8,000,000
Martin Havlat — $5,000,000
* Plekanec — $4,500,000
Mikko Koivu — $3,250,000
* Guillaume Latendresse — $2,500,000
Andrew Brunette — $2,333,333
Chuck Kobasew — $2,333,333
Cal Clutterbuck — $1,400,000
Kyle Brodziak — $1,150,000
* Petr Kalus — $821,000
Cody Almond ($75,000) $643,333
* Robbie Earl — $550,000
* Matt Kassian — $500,000
* Andrew Ebbett — $487,000
DEFENSEMEN
Marek Zidlicky — $4,000,000
Brent Burns — $3,550,000
Nick Schultz — $3,500,000
Cam Barker — $3,083,333
Greg Zanon — $1,933,333
Maxim Noreau — $575,000
Clayton Stoner — $550,000
GOALTENDERS
Niklas Backstrom — $6,000,000
* Anton Khudobin — $586,000
BUYOUTS
Mark Parrish — $927,778
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 23
SALARY CAP $58,800,000
PAYROLL $58,173,445
BONUSES $75,000
CAP SPACE $701,555


Bouchard replaces Plekanec if Bouchard comes back.

Kovalchuk-Plekanec (Butch)-Clutterbuck
Bruno-Koivu-Kobasew
Lats-Brodz-Havlat
X-X-X
XX

Burns-Barker
Zids-Zannon
Schultz-Stoner

Backstrom
Back-up

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Why would Kovalchuk go to a team with LESS forward support than the one he just left?
Very simple; the top hockey market in North America would be his!

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i could see him going to one of:

la
col
min

i dont see him going to a canadien team due to his wife wanting to live in the US

id actually see him comming here over CO. who wants to live in colorado?

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i could see him going to one of:

la
col
min

i dont see him going to a canadien team due to his wife wanting to live in the US

id actually see him comming here over CO. who wants to live in colorado?
right? CO isn't bad at all.

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Generally speaking, if you like it here. You'd like Colorado; and Denver in particular. Very similar metropolitan areas. Both states have a ton of outdoor activities. If you've never been, you need to visit at some point.

From a sporting standpoint, you get the same type of vibe around all of their sports teams as you would here.

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I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't prefer Colorado to Minnesota by a good margin...except for farmers.

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Back on topic, though, the numbers for a cap hit being thrown around here are shockingly low in my opinion. I don't think there's a chance that Kovalchuk comes that cheap. I think you'd be looking upwards of $9.0+ million a season if you'd want to entice him to Minnesota. And clearly, you can't do that if you're the Wild.

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Back on topic, though, the numbers for a cap hit being thrown around here are shockingly low in my opinion. I don't think there's a chance that Kovalchuk comes that cheap. I think you'd be looking upwards of $9.0+ million a season if you'd want to entice him to Minnesota. And clearly, you can't do that if you're the Wild.
No team can do that.

Which is why he won't get that unless he goes to Russia.

No matter how good Kovalchuk is, he's not as good as Ovechkin, Crosby, or Malkin. Nor as important to a team as Staal is.

Nor is there are much cap space available. 7.75-8.25 m/year range if he signs in the NHL.

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unfortunately, I don't think Kovalchuk will sign here.


I'd like to have this guy with the Wild though.

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The Wild couldn't possibly offer him a deal he is worth, add in that the Wild are not even close to contending right now, and he will be looking elsewhere.

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The Wild couldn't possibly offer him a deal he is worth, add in that the Wild are not even close to contending right now, and he will be looking elsewhere.
With Kovy and a servicable 2nd line center they are immediately in the thick of the west. Especially when you consider; a) the Hawks will be moving a small handful of 2nd tier scorers to get under the cap b) the Sharks are likely not going to re-sign Nabby and will go with a rookie or cheaper alternative c) what would a 40 goal scorer and decent center added to last seasons club have done to the Wild? They likely go from an 85 point team to a 98+ point team.

How good are the Wild next season if they have the following lines?

Havlat 65 pts./Brodziak 35pts./Latendresse 60 pts.
Miettenen 42 pts./Cullen 50 pts./Brunette 50 pts.
Kovy 90 pts./Koivu 85 pts/Wellman 45 pts.
Kassian/Sheppard/Clutterbuck 15-20 goals


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I don't think the question should be whether or not we can sign Kovy, we should be asking if signing kovy would be best for the franchise.

Kovy is a great player, but at his salary and with this team, we'd do more bad than good by signing him.

For our long-term prospects, we should hold off on signing any free agents, (Maybe, we could sign a Matthew Lombardi, but we shouldn't spend to the cap) and give the young guys a chance to play in the show. We'd set ourselves up for a high draft pick next year, and with a few more contracts coming off the cap, we could go after a guy or two then.

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this is not a fanbase or owner that will stand for losing. There is no chance of this happening

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I don't think the question should be whether or not we can sign Kovy, we should be asking if signing kovy would be best for the franchise.

Kovy is a great player, but at his salary and with this team, we'd do more bad than good by signing him.

For our long-term prospects, we should hold off on signing any free agents, (Maybe, we could sign a Matthew Lombardi, but we shouldn't spend to the cap) and give the young guys a chance to play in the show. We'd set ourselves up for a high draft pick next year, and with a few more contracts coming off the cap, we could go after a guy or two then.
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