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Iginla is not getting traded for packages based around late 1st round picks. It makes no sense. Unless Iginla is getting traded for a player that has a decent chance of replacing him, the Flames are much better off keeping him.
Even if his play does continue to decline, he brings intangibles and will continue to be a top line offensive threat for the next three years. On top of that management has a large financial incentrive to keep him, as he puts people in the seats.
If the package coming back features 2nd line or draft picks likely to produce 2nd liners, the Flames want no part of it. Basically, everyon is bashing the Flames for too much mediocrity and then offering packages for their best players that are nothing but mediocrity.
It's not as simple as just plotting his point totals and drawing a line and concluding from that that nobody will want him and he can't possibly get any better. For one thing, that's not how statistics work, and for another it doesn't take into consideration that maybe some GM actually thinks Langkow could be a valuable part of a second line that needs a defensive anchoring at center
Not sure where I said nobody would want him - you said that not me. I said a 2nd and 3rd round pick were too much. $4.5 million for a defensive centerman? That alone is enough to scare most teams off, never mind the lack of offensive production. My opinion, that's all.
Iginla is not getting traded for packages based around late 1st round picks. It makes no sense. Unless Iginla is getting traded for a player that has a decent chance of replacing him, the Flames are much better off keeping him.
Agreed. You trade Iginla and you lose the deal because you'll never get as good a player in return.
Not sure where I said nobody would want him - you said that not me. I said a 2nd and 3rd round pick were too much. $4.5 million for a defensive centerman? That alone is enough to scare most teams off, never mind the lack of offensive production. My opinion, that's all.
You're probably right, a 2nd and a 3rd might be wishful thinking, but trades happen all the time that would get laughed off this site, it doesn't mean they don't or won't happen, and there's no saying that just because his numbers have gone down over the last 4 years that he can't bounce back and have a career year. In fact I'd almost guarantee his numbers in 2010-11 are better than what he got this past season. 37 points for Langkow is a huge anomaly and is not indicative of anything except a crappy season.
There are so many reasons for a players' numbers to go down besides this magical wall everyone assumes lies at age 30 that all players hit and their numbers just fall in the toilet. This line of thinking almost never pans out in real life as there are many examples of players who produce well into their late 30's.
If one month of Raffi Torres is worth a second rounder, then two full seasons of healed Daymond Langkow is worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder, or somewhere in that range (probably higher).
Value wise, I think it's pretty fair. To argue the point is the hockey board equivalent of splitting hairs.
So the Falmes are in a whole heap of trouble not just this year but for the considerable future. Apart from the off-ice issues that need fixing namely, hiring a new GM and coach and hiring twice as many pro scouts in every league imaginable the Flames have a ton of on-ice issues that need to be addressed, primarily where is this team going, what should the calgary flames be about and how long before they can get there?
well to the flames fans out there I am sure they know it has to and will get a heck of alot worse before it can get better so here's a start,
To Boston
-Iginla
-Dawes
To Calgary
-Bergeron
-15th overall in 2010
-Sturm(salary dump)
To Anaheim
-Regehr
To Calgary
-Lupul(salary dump)
-29th overall in 2010
To Carolina
-Staios
To Calgary
-3rd rd pick in 2011
To Atlanta
-Langkow
To Calgary
-3rd rd pick in 2010
-2nd rd pick in 2011
Calgary's problem is their centers. They are awful. Plus their depth at forward is nothing to write home about either.
If you ask me, signing Marleau would make them an instant playoff team. No need to make hasty trades or blow anything up. The defense is there, the goaltending is there. Just get some pivots to help out the wingers. Now I don't know their cap situation but if it is tight, deal Regher for a top six forward or a late 1st round pick.
Center is the most important position in hockey next to goalie IMO. Look at the teams who have great centers:
Philly
Pittsburgh
Detriot
Chicago
San Jose
Then look at the teams who lack that depth down the middle:
I am so ****ing sick of the sheer stupidity and ignorance on this board when it comes to the Flames, "A whole heap of trouble for now and the considerable future"? The team barely missed the playoffs with pretty much every player not named Bourque, Kiprusoff or Giordano having a sub-par or injury filled year
I'm not saying they are contenders or their shouldn't be concerns but to claim they are in a heap of trouble shows you don;t know 2 ***** about their situation
Trading Iginla does make sense, even though he's very effective and one of the league's best players he's 33 so if you don't plan on going all the way to the SCF in the next 3 years you need to trade him and get maximum value. Same with Kipper
You'd suffer for a few years but the amount you'd get back from those two could set you up nicely for the future with quite a few good players as long as you manage them well when they're young.
Many people have rated the Flames farm system as the worst in the NHL, you need to fix this, and even if you have to have a few losing season it'll be worth it down the road. As long as your team isn't in danger of relocation a firesale might be necessary.
Trading Iginla does make sense, even though he's very effective and one of the league's best players he's 33 so if you don't plan on going all the way to the SCF in the next 3 years you need to trade him and get maximum value. Same with Kipper
You'd suffer for a few years but the amount you'd get back from those two could set you up nicely for the future with quite a few good players as long as you manage them well when they're young.
Many people have rated the Flames farm system as the worst in the NHL, you need to fix this, and even if you have to have a few losing season it'll be worth it down the road. As long as your team isn't in danger of relocation a firesale might be necessary.
Not all teams feel that the only path to maintaining a successful franchise is to follow the lauded "boom/bust" cycle which has marked the cup champions the past couple of seasons (Pitt/Chicago).
Teams like Detroit/Philadelphia/San Jose/Vancouver show that maintaining a solid core while sprinkling in the occasional UFA/prospect is enough to keep your team competitive year in year out (with the occasional hiccup, of course).
There is no right or wrong approach, IMO, but the point is to be aware that there are two sides to every story.
That said, the only problem with trading Iginla is what do the Flames expect to receive in return? My guess would be a player who is on the cusp of being an impact player, just as like Iginla was acquired years ago for Joe Nieuwendyk.
Anything less than that, and the Flames simply walk away.
Or, you can start with Toronto's first and then add to it.
A pile of scraps does not make a steak.
LOL @ trading the #2 overall pick in a two player draft for a soon to be 33 year old with a big contract coming off his worst season in years. Enjoy 10th.
Fixing the Flames = Trading the best player and most dangerous on the team?
Does not compute.
flames fans will hate it, but that makes sense imo, minus Dawes.
It solidify center for them, Sturm and Bergeron give slightly more production and they are both versatile. Turn the page with Bergeron and build around him starting with the 15th overall pick and 20 plus goal scorer Lupul. They get a whole lot younger too.
The other 2 just don't happen. Staios, maybe at the deadline. Langkow plus a 4th for more salary, think an overpriced and aged winger with some leadership skills, tho not sure anyone fits that.
Trading Iginla does not make sense in any context. Trade Iginla and the franchise goes belly up. He means way too much to the fans and to the city, but thankfully management recognizes this and isn't about to go trading him for a 1st round pick and a salary dump. Man, some of you just don't get it at all.
I should bookmark this thread so that I can come back to it and laugh at every single one of you talking like Iginla is some washed up old man. This board has some serious obsession with making every team younger younger younger without actually considering the abilities of the players themselves. It's just a foregone conclusion that younger player automatically means better player. A better player is still a better player even if he's older, and I seriously doubt a late 1st round pick ends up anywhere close to Iginla's numbers or value.
News flash, Anaheim, Detroit, and Carolina were not the youngest teams either when they won the cup. It just so happens that the last two cup winners were teams that sucked for a long time and got rewarded with a whole bunch of lottery picks that turned into superstars. It doesn't mean that's the only way to build a successful team.
No thanks, not interested in sending this franchise back to the pre-04 Cup Run years. A bit of retooling and the Flames should be back in the mix for the NW.
i dont get why a team that has been perennially in the playoffs, and was considered by most to be a contender, and to have one of, if not the best defense in the league this past season is completely gutted for barely missing the playoffs. most people seem to forget that the flames were 3rd in the west up until January where they **** the bed and never looked back, i actually remember someone saying they might have some sort of record for most one goal games. a few players have sub-par seasons and bam! they fall from being a considered contender to being the worst team in the league with no draft picks or prospects for the next millennium. If the flames stayed pat, signed white, etc.. my bet is they are a playoff team. and Sutter always seems to have something up his sleeve, and he always seems to be able to pull the trigger for a player he wants, this year he has stated he's going to get a couple of skilled guys in on the offense.
now to the OP:
So your saying the best thing for an offensively starved team (yet with very good goaltending and defense) to fix their problems they should;
A) trade the face of the franchise and top scorer/only true 1st liner?
B) Basically gut the team?.
Hmm I wonder why Sutter didn't think of this
The Flames are a few peices away from being better than just a 8th place team.
