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Canucks deal with Florida for 3rd overall pick involving Raymond

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06-17-2010, 02:15 PM
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To FLA- Mason Raymond, Shane O'Brien
To Van- Keith Ballard, Gregory Campbell

Florida adds some much needed offensive punch and a solid #5 defenseman in Shane O'Brien that took big strides as a player last year.

The Canucks add a top 4 defenseman to replace Willie Mitchell and upgrade the 4th line centre position with Gregory Campbell.

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I disagree, Kesler is the key to the 2nd line... and to say Hodgson doesn't have the foot speed to play with Kesler is not true, Kesler and Sundin played well together and Hodgson has a lot more foot speed than Sundin had. Just cause Kesler is fast doesn't mean Hodgson can't play with him.
When Sundin played with Kesler, it was in a completely different role designed primarily for offense in order to take heat off the Sedin line. It also wasted the bennifit of Kesler's speed and transition game. Grabner or Schroeder would be better suited to play with Keslet than Hodgson. They at least bring offense and speed to the line. What they don't bring is the defensive awareness and skills that Raymond has as do Kesler, Samuelsson and Burrows.

Taking Raymond off the Kesler line still maintains the offensive role of the Kesler line, but the team loses much of the defensive, shut down role of that line.

Hodgson is no where as fast as Kesler, Burrows or Raymond. He is an average skater only. His strengths are in seeing the whole ice and his playmaking. Provided he continues to develop, he is more suited to play mainly an offensive/defensive 3rd line role with players such as Shirokov, Hansen or Bernier or alternatively a playmaker for a strickly offensive 2a line role with players like Schreoder and Grabner, moving the Kesler line down to 2b position with more emphaises on shutdown.

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To FLA- Mason Raymond, Shane O'Brien
To Van- Keith Ballard, Gregory Campbell

Florida adds some much needed offensive punch and a solid #5 defenseman in Shane O'Brien that took big strides as a player last year.

The Canucks add a top 4 defenseman to replace Willie Mitchell and upgrade the 4th line centre position with Gregory Campbell.
good lord, i hope not

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good lord, i hope not
Why's that?

Campbell and Ballard finished 1-2 on the Panthers in hits, both played 1st unit PK icetime and are entering the primes of their careers. Ballard has also played 82 games in 4 of his 5 seasons in the NHL - that durability would be welcome on the Canucks backend. The salaries would likely come out as a wash as well.

Ballard is coming off a poor season by his standards but that's the only reason he could potentialy be made available. He had his struggles with consistency but was still given the toughest even strength icetime on the team by a wide margin - obviously the coaching staff see's something in his game they like.

What's not to like? If you want to upgrade the defense it'll come at a cost. Mason Raymond is a significant loss but one that could be overcome with the Canucks depth on the wing.

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canucks would make a deal like raymond, bieksa and their 1st for st. louis' 1st because it allows them to grab a top top tier young defenseman (aka fowler). its easier to make a deal and then draft him then try to get an already established great defenseman and a lower cap hit. yes they have to have faith that fowler or whoever they want to draft can step in soon but it makes a lot of sense for a contender to do

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canucks would make a deal like raymond, bieksa and their 1st for st. louis' 1st because it allows them to grab a top top tier young defenseman (aka fowler). its easier to make a deal and then draft him then try to get an already established great defenseman and a lower cap hit. yes they have to have faith that fowler or whoever they want to draft can step in soon but it makes a lot of sense for a contender to do
Tell me the last time a team in the mid 20s traded their 1st + a young player to move into the top 5 in a draft?

Thats right, it has never happened. Not saying it will never happen, but the odds are extremely low. And I wouldn't trade a budding offensive and responsible winger in Raymond for a draft pick that will not help us for at least 2-3 years. We need a more established or proven player in return for Raymond, preferable a d-man.

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