HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

Burke: No Kovalchuk for Leafs

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-14-2010, 09:13 PM
  #151
Oilmageddon*
What are you hearing
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Home of 5 Stanley's
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,142
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 93gilmour93 View Post
i'm pretty sure most oiler fans would trade anyting off there roster from last year for kessel.
lol not 2 first rounders and a second and i will take hemsky anyday over kessel

Oilmageddon* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 09:16 PM
  #152
Crispy Crust
Registered User
 
Crispy Crust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Land of 13 Cups
Posts: 15,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer. He's a good goal scorer, but far from "elite". As an all around player he is far from "elite". He isn't a leader, is injury prone, plays soft and poor defensively. If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
Right. We dont need Kessel for physical play.

Crispy Crust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 09:21 PM
  #153
Oilmageddon*
What are you hearing
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Home of 5 Stanley's
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,142
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuca Laputi View Post
Right. We dont need Kessel for physical play.
Well that is good because you will never see it

Oilmageddon* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 09:22 PM
  #154
euro dangle*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 784
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer. He's a good goal scorer, but far from "elite". As an all around player he is far from "elite". He isn't a leader, is injury prone, plays soft and poor defensively. If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
He has elite skills, like his shot and his skating...........

euro dangle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 09:26 PM
  #155
Crispy Crust
Registered User
 
Crispy Crust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Land of 13 Cups
Posts: 15,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oils4hallseyesonly View Post
Well that is good because you will never see it

Are you a Taylor Hall fan?

Crispy Crust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 09:56 PM
  #156
shmab
Registered User
 
shmab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 810
vCash: 500
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?

shmab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:00 PM
  #157
GordieHoweHatTrick
Registered User
 
GordieHoweHatTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 14,284
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle evs48 View Post
How many of these elite goal scorers do you think there are? How do you draw the line between elite and very good?
Raw skill.

Kessel has tremendous speed, a really quick release, & pinpoint accuracy on his wrist-shot.

All those things will make him an elite scorer in the NHL. How did this thread become a Kessel ****-fest anyway?

GordieHoweHatTrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:05 PM
  #158
IBeL13f
There Is Pain Coming
 
IBeL13f's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,547
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmab View Post
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?
If he actually becomes the next Pavel Bure, haha

As for Kovalchuk, this shouldn't really be news. Kovalchuk is a fantastic hockey player and will bring a lot to whatever team he goes to, but that's a lot of money he's gonna be asking for. However, I'd like Burke to at least kick the tires and send an offer their way, just because that's his job, to go after the best players available.

IBeL13f is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:05 PM
  #159
All Day*
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: The Hockey Mecca
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,149
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer. He's a good goal scorer, but far from "elite". As an all around player he is far from "elite". He isn't a leader, is injury prone, plays soft and poor defensively. If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
You should watch some hockey some time. Kessel was a point per game player in the playoffs for the Bruins and scored 9 goals in 15 playoff games. Seemed fine to me.

All Day* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:09 PM
  #160
euro dangle*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 784
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmab View Post
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?
Technically you are thread hijacking but I'll answer your question anyways.

Yes. We got a guy who is 4 years ahead of Seguin or Hall in development and is still only 22, can fly and scores goals. Remember we got a former 5th overall pick. Seguin or Hall have yet to do anything in the league and there is no guarantee they will. I fully expected to give up at least 1 top ten pick, just didn't think it would be 2nd overall.

It's my opinion that Seguin and Hall are not generational talent. They will likely be good players but I don't see them dominating or eventually being classed as elite. Now it's up to the Leafs to make sure next years pick is nowhere near top 10 because if it is, it's definitely likely we lost this trade.

euro dangle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:13 PM
  #161
GordieHoweHatTrick
Registered User
 
GordieHoweHatTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 14,284
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmab View Post
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?
No, no we wouldn't. Hindsight is also 50/50

GordieHoweHatTrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:20 PM
  #162
slk88
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 16
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glucker View Post
and what if Seguin never becomes a 30 goal scorer like Kessel, and turns out not to be as good?

What happens if the Leafs win the cup with Kessel before Boston wins it with Seguin?

lots of what-ifs. the outcome of this trade won't be known for some time


Quote:
Originally Posted by shmab View Post
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?

No, BB and the rest of the staff didn't think they would finish that low. Despite what he says (which is just lip service in order to stick up for Kessel) he wouldn't have made the deal if he knew then what he knows now. BB thought the pick would be lower, he thought they would be in the playoffs or battling for a spot. I always said he should have put a condition on the trade.......something along the lines of if the pick turns out to be a top 3 or top 5 pick then that is the only pick the Bruins get.........that would have given the Leafs some consolation by finishing at the bottom. At least they would have their 2011 1st rounder.

Although the trade looks bad it may end up turning out ok only because he knows deep down he screwed up so he is going to try extra hard to make up for it this summer. Whether that means signing a couple of big names or making a couple of big trades you know BB will not want to give the Bruins another high pick next year. I don't know if he would make as many moves looking for impact players had he not made the Kessel deal because they would still have their 1st and 2nd rounders. So essentially the Kessel deal will still have an impact on what he does for the next few years.
Let's put it this way, if the Leafs finish in the bottom 5 next year BB will be run out of town therefore he must make a splash this summer, the pressure is on.

slk88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:46 PM
  #163
Paradise
Individual thinker
 
Paradise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Waiverpeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by All Day View Post
You should watch some hockey some time. Kessel was a point per game player in the playoffs for the Bruins and scored 9 goals in 15 playoff games. Seemed fine to me.
In 2007-08 he had 3 goals and 1 assist in 4 games versus Montreal (1st round loss). In 2008-09 he had 4 goals and 2 assists versus Montreal (soft team) in 4 games. He then tired down the stretch. 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games versus Carolina. He didn't help a far more talented Bruins team past the 2nd round either. If anything it says to me that Phil wishes he played Montreal 82 times a year and would break Gretzky's season record for goals and points.

Paradise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:50 PM
  #164
Oilmageddon*
What are you hearing
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Home of 5 Stanley's
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,142
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
In 2007-08 he had 3 goals and 1 assist in 4 games versus Montreal (1st round loss). In 2008-09 he had 4 goals and 2 assists versus Montreal (soft team) in 4 games. He then tired down the stretch. 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games versus Carolina. He didn't help a far more talented Bruins team past the 2nd round either. If anything it says to me that Phil wishes he played Montreal 82 times a year and would break Gretzky's season record for goals and points.
come on dont try and use common sense

Oilmageddon* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 10:55 PM
  #165
Paradise
Individual thinker
 
Paradise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Waiverpeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,721
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oils4hallseyesonly View Post
come on dont try and use common sense
Not all sense is common.

Paradise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 11:07 PM
  #166
bionic
Registered User
 
bionic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: markham
Posts: 1,901
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer. He's a good goal scorer, but far from "elite". As an all around player he is far from "elite". He isn't a leader, is injury prone, plays soft and poor defensively. If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
Do you know how stupid that sounds. How the hell is he getting softer? This is a guy who could not train during the summer, missed training camp and the first 11 games of the season and still scored 30 goals. Lets see what he does when he doesn't have to start the season a step behind everyone.

bionic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 11:08 PM
  #167
Jack Bourdain
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Jack Bourdain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Montréal, QC.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,320
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
In 2007-08 he had 3 goals and 1 assist in 4 games versus Montreal (1st round loss). In 2008-09 he had 4 goals and 2 assists versus Montreal (soft team) in 4 games. He then tired down the stretch. 2 goals and 3 assists in 7 games versus Carolina. He didn't help a far more talented Bruins team past the 2nd round either. If anything it says to me that Phil wishes he played Montreal 82 times a year and would break Gretzky's season record for goals and points.
They were one overtime period away from the ECF. Don't make it sound like he didn't do his part during the 2nd round. Such a clueless argument.

Quote:
Originally Posted by oils4hallseyesonly View Post
come on dont try and use common sense
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Not all sense is common.
Dutch rider. Nice.

Jack Bourdain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 11:24 PM
  #168
SDig14
Registered User
 
SDig14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Edmonton, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,066
vCash: 500
I didn't read the rest of the thread, so I have no idea how this became a Kessel thread, but imo Kessel will be a very good goal scorer....as an Oilers fan I would love to have him on my team...you're not gonna get defensive excellence or a model player, but you get a gifted goal scorer with a stupid good shot and release that skates very well and is very good on the rush...he is not getting paid to play defense, he gets money to put the puck in the net...will he be the next Bure? those are pretty tough expectations, even in an injury plagued career managed to score over 50 goals 5 times, and 4 of the seasons were basically 60 goals (IIRC 2 were 60 and 2 were like 58)...but given the right situation i think he can a pretty good 40 goal guy

SDig14 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
06-14-2010, 11:48 PM
  #169
Volcanologist
Used Register
 
Volcanologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Cosmodrome
Country: Germany
Posts: 21,018
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer.
What?

Quote:
If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
Well, so far in the playoffs he's put up 9 goals and 15 point in 15 games.

Volcanologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 12:21 AM
  #170
legion681*
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Braintree, MA
Country: Switzerland
Posts: 102
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 93gilmour93 View Post
everyone outside of leafs nation is so biased to the leafs its ********. till seguin actually gets into the nhl and starts sniping 30+ goals on a yearly basis kessel is the better player. seguin could be daigle you never know but what we do know is that kessel is already a elite goal scorer at 22. no shade of glasses can hide that.
...and maybe Kessel pulls a Cheechoo and in 3 years he's in AHL buses all busted up, maybe destined to leave hockey alltogether too...

The future is unknown for everyone and everything...

legion681* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 01:52 AM
  #171
Kimota
Three Bananas
 
Kimota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La Vieille Capitale
Country: France
Posts: 23,001
vCash: 500
He's not a Burke type of player.

Kimota is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 06:55 AM
  #172
RogerRoeper*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 21,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise View Post
Kessel is soft and only getting softer. He's a good goal scorer, but far from "elite". As an all around player he is far from "elite". He isn't a leader, is injury prone, plays soft and poor defensively. If the Leaf's ever make the playoffs you'll find out just how he doesn't hold up to the physical play.
We see this claim in every thread Kessel is brought up. He's had 1 injury in his NHL career.

And BTW-Kessel has 9 goals, 15 points in 15 career playoff games. He's been terrific in the playoffs.

RogerRoeper* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 06:56 AM
  #173
RogerRoeper*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 21,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmab View Post
OKAY Leaf fans. Knowing now that your pick which is in possession of the Bruins at a juicy #2 spot, would you still make the trade to acquire the next Pavel Bure, Phil Kessel?
Nope. But that wasn't the trade at the time.

RogerRoeper* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 06:57 AM
  #174
RogerRoeper*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 21,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oils4hallseyesonly View Post
Thats the reaction of all nhl fans when they see a leaf trade proposal and a soft 30 goal scorer being called elite
avg. of 33 goals in 70 games you mean. Good enough for top 10 in GPG. the past two seasons. And that's at 21 and 22.

RogerRoeper* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2010, 07:00 AM
  #175
RogerRoeper*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 21,852
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oils4hallseyesonly View Post
yeah he scored two more than the elite Kessel
in 12 more games...

RogerRoeper* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:21 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.