Obviously a trade involving St-Louis wouldn't be limited to Price. On the other hand, PG has to consider trades involving Hamrlik and AK (if a winger is coming this way).
Edit: 'Long way to go' meant lots of time left to handle cap issues.
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Originally Posted by goforit
Yeah, I hope we can get more, for sure, but Downie is getting better. He's the kind of player you need on a top6! He's gritty, has talent and is young. Look at his past season. He can score.
I hope we can do better on the top 6.
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Goaltending isn't like other positions in hockey. When one guy plays, the other doesn't.
This, and Halak's progression just changes the landscape so much.
I know that, if Gainey knew how good Halak was set to become, he probably wouldn't have taken Price at #5 back in 2005.
However, things change, and now, you have the opportunity to choose a player and try to develop him into something you've lacked for many years, all that by giving a player playing at your deepest position. This is something you just CAN'T overlook. Not with two goalies of that quality.
I DO see it that way. It's like Thornton, Ovechkin, Crosby, or wtv being traded for 1st overall(hall/seguin). Same pick, but none of the teams do it, cuz that 1st overall can be the next crosby or the next patrik stefan. It is unproven. Whereas price is a proven player, and has developed into a starting goalie with franchise upside. The 6th overall we get can end up being the next Terry Ryan for us.
I understand the need to trade one of the two, but i'd rather get a proven young player with similar upside in a difference position...as I mentioned, like JVR.
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i cant see price having any better season than what halak had last season
what is a franchise goalie?
Can you see Halak having a better season than this season? If no, then your point is moot.
i cant see price having any better season than what halak had last season
what is a franchise goalie?
Halak has a few flaws that IMO will not get much better, and it was evident against the Flyers. In the new NHL, these are pretty important skills for a goalie to have.
1) Puck Control - Halak has issues on what to do with the puck and has trouble moving it.
2) Rebound control - At the best of times, it's average, sometimes it leaves to glaring scoring opportunities.
3) Covering the puck- In the crease with player around him, Halak can't seem to locate the puck.
Overall, he is a very good goalie no doubt. You gotta love his attitude and resiliance. But when Price is on, you can just see his skill level with a guy like Broduer and Luongo.
I've never gotten that feeling with Halak. His value will never be higher either.
I would be willing to trade Halak if we get a great return. Otherwise I would never do it. Halak has proven this year he can be great. Price hasn't proven anything, and quite honestly I doubt he's going to be the goalie people thought he would be. I think Desjardins is the future Habs goalie. I would put my money on him rather than Price.
Halak has a few flaws that IMO will not get much better, and it was evident against the Flyers.
No offence but the same thing can be said about Price when the Flyers beat him in 5 back in 2007-2008 (with a 104 pts team) this is not a shot at Price btw
So it nothing against Price, but you totally say he is useless cause he had one start in the playoffs and that a 18 year old "may be better" than a guy who has already made the NHL and has shown he can be a #1 goalie???
Your arguments are so flawed = fail, massively.
I'd be ready to trade either one for the 6th overall pick, just like any single team in the league would deal their 2nd goalie for the 6th overall pick. You're the one always looking to prove how the Habs organization should look into trading Halak and keep Price, or else they're idiots, because Bowman said so.
To me, having those two guys is useless. We might have less depth, but at least, we'll get an asset likely to help us for a full season. I ideally would like us to get a physical top-6 forward, but you can get something GREAT with that 6th overall pick. Special players.
Lecavalier Is an overhyped player (worst contract in the nhl), who take the spot of hamerlik at defence and the 6th pick overall can be a bust remember alex daigle.
Yeah, i agree with this. We're already looking to dump hammer at any cost. In any other trade where we try to get rid of hammer, we're taking back some salary. Here we're basically exchaning (cap wise) gomez and lecavalier and dumping hamrlik on them for free.
I might have a problem with the second part, depending on what 'a little something' is. I haven't paid enough attention to the top 10 projected rankings for this draft because i usually only pay attention to what we can get.
Who knows? Maybe it's all a ploy to get couturier if the habs think the lightning will be the worst team in the league.
Lecavalier Is an overhyped player (worst contract in the nhl), who take the spot of hamerlik at defence and the 6th pick overall can be a bust remember alex daigle.
lol, yah, but lecavalier is a better player than gomez. he's a big center. I don't care about him being french but hes better than gomez. We get rid of hamrlik without taking salary back. Who will take hamrlik's spot? well, who will play second line center if we keep hamrlik?
No offence but the same thing can be said about Price when the Flyers beat him in 5 back in 2007-2008 (with a 104 pts team) this is not a shot at Price btw
No offence taken.
But how old was Price then, 20? Talk about all the weight on the world on his young shoulders. It's another example of the team not developing their players properly, but that's for another thread.
Price's flaws back in 2007-2008 can be attributed to maturity, which will happen as he matures, but from a skill perspective IMO, Price will turn out to be the better goalie and Halak's value may never be higher.
Hey of Scotty Bowman tells you not to trade someone, I think his 11 cups trump all of us on these boards put together!
lol, yah, but lecavalier is a better player than gomez. he's a big center. I don't care about him being french but hes better than gomez. We get rid of hamrlik without taking salary back. Who will take hamrlik's spot? well, who will play second line center if we keep hamrlik?
Gionta without Gomez: about 0,28 GPG
Gionta with Gomez: almost 0,50 GPG
Gionta and Gomez are here to stay. Lecavalier really is overrated. And unlike Gomez, he's still got more than 10 years to his contract.
Lecavalier Is an overhyped player (worst contract in the nhl), who take the spot of hamerlik at defence and the 6th pick overall can be a bust remember alex daigle.
I don't think he's overhyped, he's overpaid sure but so is Gomez and frankly for a similar cap hit I take Vinny any time... Gomez is interesting for the Bolts though because the way his contract is structured, while he remains on a 7.3 cap hit, he gonna be paid 4 (4.5?) millions in coldcash in 2 years.
Hamrlik is done and we need to get rid of his contract. Who takes his spot? Well, first you move Spacek on the left side and pair him with RD Pernell Karl Subban.
PLUS, I really like the potential of "a little something", might be another Gorges right there
Gionta without Gomez: about 0,28 GPG
Gionta with Gomez: almost 0,50 GPG
Gionta and Gomez are here to stay. Lecavalier really is overrated. And unlike Gomez, he's still got more than 10 years to his contract.
Lecavalier, if it were for his shoulder surgery, would be top 10 Center in league or better. He needs to regain his strenght which he will do this summer probably.
In the last 4 seasons, Gomez has 55 goals. In 2006-07 alone, lecavalier had 52. I'm not a lecavalier homer, I don't care that much. But he's clearly a better player than gomez by a mile and he serves a need, a big center.
Don't care how many goals gionta makes with gomez, he'll prob make more points with lecavalier anyway.
I don't think he's overhyped, he's overpaid sure but so is Gomez and frankly for a similar cap hit I take Vinny any time... Gomez is interesting for the Bolts though because the way his contract is structured, while he remains on a 7.3 cap hit, he gonna be paid 4 (4.5?) millions in coldcash in 2 years.
Hamrlik is done and we need to get rid of his contract. Who takes his spot? Well, first you move Spacek on the left side and pair him with RD Pernell Karl Subban.
PLUS, I really like the potential of "a little something", might be another Gorges right there
do you live in quebec?
He's a decent player for his salary, nothing mind blowing. In the exchange i think we'd lose a player with a great attitude (gomez) for a tougher, bigger body.
ALso, lecav doesn't wantsto come here and he has a NTC, doesn't he?
hahah the countdown is on until HFBoards explodes into pieces
tick tock tick tock
Really... why wouldnt TB want Halak.. I mean he made it to the third round of the playoffs and Price didnt....
That should tell everyone wanting to keep Halak instead of Price something. Other teams are trying to steal Price and people SHOULD ask why. If Halak is in less demand, alarm bells should ring. DON'T push Price out of town.
but the same thing can be said about Price when the Flyers beat him in 5 back in 2007-2008 (with a 104 pts team) this is not a shot at Price btw
