I don't think the Columbus and Buffalo trades have any chance, mostly due to contracts.
Stafford makes 1.9 mil, andrei makes 3.25 mil. Andrei scores more and hits more. We cut costs, they get a better player.
Columbus is seeking a top 4 d-man. We add sergei kostitsyn who has upside. Don't say negative value please, cuz he's at worse zero value cuz they can let him go and not sign him. We get a guy who played with who played well with pacioretty in Michigan and an enforcer/4th liner. They don't overpay at all, but they get a top 4 d and a potential top 6 forward, we shed salary.
The last trade we've heard about Halak/price for clowe and murray, i added carle to ensure it can happen.
Stafford makes 1.9 mil, andrei makes 3.25 mil. Andrei scores more and hits more. We cut costs, they get a better player.
Columbus is seeking a top 4 d-man. We add sergei kostitsyn who has upside. Don't say negative value please, cuz he's at worse zero value cuz they can let him go and not sign him. We get a guy who played with who played well with pacioretty in Michigan and an enforcer/4th liner. They don't overpay at all, but they get a top 4 d and a potential top 6 forward, we shed salary.
The last trade we've heard about Halak/price for clowe and murray, i added carle to ensure it can happen.
I'm not sure Buffalo wants to add AK's contract. I'm not sure Columbus would touch Hamrlik's either.
If the Habs trade a goalie they want a player who had upside, Clowe and Murray are solid players but they are basically guys that have reached their peak value/production.
I'm not sure Buffalo wants to add AK's contract. I'm not sure Columbus would touch Hamrlik's either.
If the Habs trade a goalie they want a player who had upside, Clowe and Murray are solid players but they are basically guys that have reached their peak value/production.
I understand that, but IMO, the habs are not in a rebuild mode. Unless they get a stud like JVR I don't know how much value a pick or prospect has when they having their core signed to deals now. They don't want to wait 5 years for a player to be ready.
I understand that, but IMO, the habs are not in a rebuild mode. Unless they get a stud like JVR I don't know how much value a pick or prospect has when they having their core signed to deals now. They don't want to wait 5 years for a player to be ready.
Don't have to be in rebuild, if you can move AK and/or Hamrloik you can go out and sign a guy like Armstrong.
I understand that, but IMO, the habs are not in a rebuild mode. Unless they get a stud like JVR I don't know how much value a pick or prospect has when they having their core signed to deals now. They don't want to wait 5 years for a player to be ready.
No not in a rebuild mode but in today's NHL it seems like there is going to be a constant change over. Young players matter. The Habs can't go taking on high salary players right now and don't have any real high end potential prospects in the system. Teams now have to be constantly stocking up prospects for the future. Do you hope that in 4 years the Habs do the same thing by building a team in FA? I want to start seeing original Habs maturing and blossoming on this team and right now there isn't many options.
Campbell and Hossa's are worse, at least Huet is done in 2 years.
No they're not! Just like Gomez, they're well payed for their services, but atleas they contribute somewhat to he success of their teams, Huet is a washed up has-been that belongs in the AHL. The flash is over.
Hossa's is not worse. Hossa's contract is boss. Well, not that good, but it's still solid.
If he decides to play until 40, the team that has him loses 5 + of cap space on a declining player. I'd rather have a huge cap hit short term than a pretty big one for 10 years.
Not really trade related, but if Edmonton bought out O'sullivan, I wouldn't mind seeing us sign him for around 1 mil, have him and Pouliot battle for the last top 6 spot with Trotter and co.
I wouldn't mind Huet as a #2 if Chicago was to buy out his 11 mil cap hit(1.84 mil for 4 years)
Hossa's is not worse. Hossa's contract is boss. Well, not that good, but it's still solid.
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Originally Posted by Carey Price
If he decides to play until 40, the team that has him loses 5 + of cap space on a declining player. I'd rather have a huge cap hit short term than a pretty big one for 10 years.
I dont agree at all.
They could buy him out.
The last 4 years could easily be bought out.
2/3 x (1+1+0.75+.0.75)=2.33M over 8 years= 0.3 M cap hit.
He's earning 5.2 per year and he's basically worth 6.5M per year.
Long contract are the best. We could do something similar with Markov if he's back healthy and ready to go.
6 6 6 5 4 3 1 1
8 years 32 M
4 M cap hit
His last 2 years could be bought out for an average of 0.333 M cap hit for 4 years.
His last 3 years could be bought out for an average of 0.555M cap hit for 6 years.
His last 4 years could be bought out for an average of 0.75M cap hit for 8 years.
2/3 x (1+1+0.75+.0.75)=2.33M over 8 years= 0.3 M cap hit.
He's earning 5.2 per year and he's basically worth 6.5M per year.
Long contract are the best. We could do something similar with Markov if he's back healthy and ready to go.
6 6 6 5 4 3 1 1
8 years 32 M
4 M cap hit
His last 2 years could be bought out for an average of 0.333 M cap hit for 4 years.
His last 3 years could be bought out for an average of 0.555M cap hit for 6 years.
His last 4 years could be bought out for an average of 0.75M cap hit for 8 years.
Thoughts?
I had Markov at $4M for 2011 with the same premise. I think it's a good deal for all parties.
2/3 x (1+1+0.75+.0.75)=2.33M over 8 years= 0.3 M cap hit.
He's earning 5.2 per year and he's basically worth 6.5M per year.
Long contract are the best. We could do something similar with Markov if he's back healthy and ready to go.
6 6 6 5 4 3 1 1
8 years 32 M
4 M cap hit
His last 2 years could be bought out for an average of 0.333 M cap hit for 4 years.
His last 3 years could be bought out for an average of 0.555M cap hit for 6 years.
His last 4 years could be bought out for an average of 0.75M cap hit for 8 years.
Thoughts?
Are you sure the buyout can still be done at 35?
...and that the cap hit is only the salary rather than the cap hit X 33.3% for twice the years?
To Buffalo
Andrei Kostitsyn
To Montreal
Drew Stafford+4th round pick
To Columbus
Hamrlik+Sergei Kostitsyn
To Montreal
Chad Kolarik+Jared Boll
To San Jose
Halak+Carle
To Montreal
Clowe+Murray
Pouliot-Gomez-Gionta=13.5 mil
Clowe-Plekanec-Cammalleri=14.2 mil
Stafford-Malhotra-O'Sullivan=5 mil
Moen-Lapierre-Pyatt/Boll=4 mil
BGL=0.5 mil
37.2 mil
Markov-Murray=8.25
Spacek-Subban=4.75
Gorges-Gill=3.35
O'byrne=1 mil
17.35 mil
Price=3 mil
backup=1 mil
Total 58.55 mil
Hope I didn't make a mistake.
I'm not sure Columbus takes that deal. On one hand, they get a player that they could used in Hamrlik, an experienced defenseman (although the question is if Hamrlik would accept a trade to Columbus) but I don't think they want to go anywhere near Sergei Kostitsyn. This is not so much because of how he plays but more because of his attitude (see Nikolai Zherdev and Nikita Filatov). Also, from our perspective, Jared Boll went out with a hand injury at the end of the season which makes me a little hesitant to pick him up given his job description.
If they are interested in Hamrlik however I wouldn't mind picking up Marc Methot or Grant Clitsome for him and maybe O'byrne. They get their experienced defenseman and a young big body defensemen who plays with a bit of an edge (which they sort of have in Klesla but he has also become injury prone) and we get a responsible, stay at home big body who is a little more established then O'byrne.
I also wanted to weigh in on the Pronger vs. Hossa contract debate. The difference between the two signings is when the player signed regarding their age. If a player signs a contract when they are 35+ (like Pronger) the cap hit will remain the same for the duration of the contract. So if Pronger were too retire or was bought out tomorrow his $5million cap hit would count against the Flyers cap in it's entirety until the end of the 2017/18 season. Hossa obviously signed before he was 35 which is why his cap hit would be reduced no matter when he retired/was bought out. To clarify the difference is when they signed the contract not when they retire/get bought out.
Im not sure but I think theres a rule that you can go from 4M to 0.5M.
Yeah I think you are right, you can only drop by something like 50% from one year to the next.
There should be a rule for length of contract and that the high salary in a deal can only be twice the low salary because some of the deals are made to circumvent the cap.
Not really trade related, but if Edmonton bought out O'sullivan, I wouldn't mind seeing us sign him for around 1 mil, have him and Pouliot battle for the last top 6 spot with Trotter and co.
We desperately need to get bigger and more physical...O'Sullivan is the antithesis of that.
