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10-16-2010, 11:49 PM
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After 5 games

I'm going to do my reflection on the team after each 5 games span, here it goes for the first 5

Auld, Alex: He's been phenomenal at warming up the bench, least will see him, better it is, it means Price is doing fine... NO MARK

Price, Carey: I always been a big fan of Jaroslav Halak, but i have to give credit where credit is due, Price as been rock solid this season, stole some games and been to his best most of the times... if he keeps on going like that all year, the team will be fine... 9/10

Spacek. Jaroslav: Man is he terrible, you want to give veterans as much time as needed to get in good shape, but in his case you wonder if you'll ever see the light at the end of the tunnel... When Markov is back, you hope that he will react better with less pressure playing as number 6 instead of where he is right now, biggest disapointment on D since the beginning of the year... at least you have to believe he may only get better... 3/10

Gill, Hal: Everywhere he should be a bottom pairing defenseman helping mostly in the Pk department. He gives you all he got, which is not too much to begin with, he's crazy slow but i'm sure he will get in a better shape as time goes by. will be useful in the long run, we can live with what he brings 5.5/10

O'Byrne, Ryan: i'm starting to believe that the maximum he will ever bring to this league is being a 6-7 D man, physical presence but not much more, for games when you need is kind of play, he'll be serviceable but that's about it, him or Picard will be sent down when Markov is back 5.5/10

Picard, Alexandre: Also only a 6 or 7 D-men in this league. I'd like to see him in a PP situation to see if he could bring something as a specialist but if not, i think he is Hamilton Bond...but he was not as bad as some as made him out to be on this board 5.5/10

Hamrlik, Roman: Just coming back from injury, so still not in the best shape, i'm sure that being the last year of his contract will make him be pretty solid in the long run, he will be okay in my book... By the way, since he's back, we have 5 points out of 6
6/10

Subban, Pernell Karl: The guy is a special talent, everybody sees it, and with more time, experience and having the chance to perform in the company of Markov will make him sooner than later a top D in this league...great offensive flair, not as bad as expected on D, makes mistakes but works so hard at correcting them... i don't want coaching to hold him back, but HE will need to learn to tame is play and is intensity (no stupid penalties) really like the kid 8/10

Gorges, Josh: Is he good or what, best defensive D, leadership, physical, block shots and he even brings some offense this year and his a good option on the 2nd pp unit (when Markov is back, i'd rather he keeps is post and we take Spacek out...) it's only 5 games, but man do i want him sign long term... 9/10

Darche, Mathieu: As said before in previous posting if he didn't have a one way contract, Ryan White would probably be here and not him... That being said, he brings what he can and not much bad things can be said against the guy...although i would rather have a specialist in his place with the team.... 4/10

Pyatt, Tom: Same as Darche, as a 12-13 forward, not much can be said about the guy, contrary to Darche, i believe he as a use for the PK with his speed... 5/10

Boyd, Dustin: Contrary to a lot of you on this board, i'm not overly impress, i would rather they give the center position to Eller to see what he really as in store. Boyd didn't play bad, but as not shown yet that he is a bonafide regular player, he could be seated in some games and i would not mind, but is speed and hustle is a great depth for the team 5/10

Eller, Lars: As a lot of potential but if JM does not want to let him get involve, makes mistakes and learn from it like PK as the chance, i would rather see him in Hamilton playing 22 minutes a game in all offensive situation. he sometimes makes brilliant thing but i'm not entirely sold, i'd like to see him at center or on the first to lines... time will tell 5.5/10

Gomez, Scott: He needs to bring more to the table, always a slow starter, let's just hope that is the case again... skating like the wind is not everything in this world
6/10

Moen, Travis: honest player that gives what he can give, would like to see him be more physical, did he sign for 2 or 3 years? let say that. for now, he has not done anything to make him indispensable with this team 6/10

Pouliot, Benoit: tries harder then last year, but can seem to get any result, but if he keeps on that way, will get out of that slum one day 6/10

Lapierre, Maxim: Looks more like the playoff Maxim than regular season Maxim of last year. I think coaching staff needs to keep him in a leash dought. he might have a tendency of taking it easy, he can allow himself to do that 6/10

Halpern, Jeff: Very good on face off, works hard most of the time, already 2 goals, very good acquisition, would have still prefered we sign back Dominic Moore, but all and all, good player... 6.5/10

Gionta, Brian: Mr.Captain, always works is but off, not much result since the beginning of this year, but i love the little bugger... always trying, like our last captain.... 6.5/10

Cammalleri, Michael: You think he will score every game, and you know he might, best pure goal scorer we had in a long, long time.... Needs to watch for the penalties but such a great asset 7/10

Kostitsyn, Andreii: Say what you want: Contract year, away from Sergei or just finally gets it, since the beginning of this year, all is good with Andreii, the talent as always been there, now the effort is most of the time, he shoots more, he's more physical and he doest a very good work on his defensive coverage... let's just hope it remains like that for is next 70 games (i have a hunch he'll get hurt this year couple of games...) 8/10

Plekanec, Tomas: A lot of people said the Habs were crazy to give him that kind of money for that number of years last summer... after 5 games, he's proven them wrong, and i don't expect him to slow down either... he performs well at every aspect of the game... Simply put, when Markov is not playing, he his our best player (and he might be when Markov will be back anyway...) 9/10

7 points in the first 5 games, pretty good considering the PP as been invisible and our best D as not play a game yet... still uncertain about this team, but it looks better for me that i was expecting, we know we can definetly play better then we did most of the games but we get pretty good result, better time are ahead me think...


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10-16-2010, 11:56 PM
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I think you and many other people have been overly harsh on Spacek. He has brain farts a couple times per game but he's not that bad the rest of the time. It still baffles me how can Darche be on this team and White isn't. And **** this 1-way contract BS, no one in their right mind will claim him on if he's put on waivers. PG could send him down and up 20 times a day and no one will pick him up.

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I think you and many other people have been overly harsh on Spacek. He has brain farts a couple times per game but he's not that bad the rest of the time. It still baffles me how can Darche be on this team and White isn't. And **** this 1-way contract BS, no one in their right mind will claim him on if he's put on waivers. PG could send him down and up 20 times a day and no one will pick him up.
Spacek, i still believe that after the return of Markov, he'll be better...

As for Darche, i agree no one would pick him up, but the organisation is too cheap to pay a minor leaguer half million, that is why he stays...

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I agree with a lot of your ratings, but you're a bit harsh on our checkers. I think they've been great because they're doing what they're supposed to do. How many times this season or preseason have you thought "What are you doing Pyatt/Boyd/Moen/Lapierre?" They've been really solid defensively and though they aren't scoring 3 goals a game they're really good at maintaining puck possession. Pyatt/Boyd are, hopefully, going to make a strong pairing for the next couple years. The speed and determination these guys have is incredible and they're exactly what we need on the 3rd/4th line. At their roles, I wouldn't give them anything less than an 8/10

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10-17-2010, 12:43 AM
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Subban gets a 7 for me, Pouliot a 6.5 and Spacek a 5, he ain't that bad.

and i share your thoughts about Eller, I would prefer if we send him down and call White up to play on the 4th, I don't understand what's Martin's point playing him 5 minutes a game.

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10-17-2010, 01:35 AM
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I think you and many other people have been overly harsh on Spacek. He has brain farts a couple times per game but he's not that bad the rest of the time. It still baffles me how can Darche be on this team and White isn't. And **** this 1-way contract BS, no one in their right mind will claim him on if he's put on waivers. PG could send him down and up 20 times a day and no one will pick him up.
Spacek has averaged less overall time on ice than Gorges, Gill and Subban. At ES, he's only ahead of Picard and O'Byrne.
So, it's not just people. Seems like his coach believes so as well.
There's no need to hide it, Spacek is having a rough times. Having brain farts a couple times per game isn't a decent standard, it's a bad one.
I'm sure he will improve though. I do believe Markov's presence will help him, and the rest of the squad. It will relieve some pressure but they obviously can't come in with the mentality of letting Markov do everything either.


As for Darche, I never understood the re-signal. I mean, there was no point in re-signing him that early, no point whatsoever. No other teams was going to offer him a contract, and even if they did, he ain't no diamond in the ruff. I think it was stupid to offer him something so early.
But as for his 1-way contract, it doesn't have much to do about him going through waivers. It just means he'll be paid the same salary in NHL or AHL.

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10-17-2010, 01:48 AM
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The only problem with Spacek is the love Martin has for him.

Why is Spacek the point man on the PP ? He doesn't have the shot to score or make the goalie give up juicy rebounds. Just wish they would try Subban there.

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Halpern deserves way more credit than what you seem to give him.

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The only problem with Spacek is the love Martin has for him.

Why is Spacek the point man on the PP ? He doesn't have the shot to score or make the goalie give up juicy rebounds. Just wish they would try Subban there.
There is no set shooter on the point. Both Spacek and Subban take shots whenever they can. It's rather obvious.

There is neither a precise shooter or a precise passer. There is no QB on the PP.
That's why Markov's presence will do wonders. We will have our set up man, that can transform any of the other four players with him on the ice into threats.
The passes on the point are rarely well placed. Pucks always need to be readjusted with their sticks or skates.

Spacek does have a nice shot, it just never hits the net. Besides, Martin being a defensive coach, there will never be a forward at the point. So, if not Spacek who else?..
What I don't understand, is why Picard isn't on instead of Gorges. Had 6 PP goals just two years ago, has a better shot than Gorges, might as well try him out.

Anyways, I'm sure we will see some improvement there once Markov is back. If the problem persists because of the shooting, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gauthier waive Picard and go after MAB again.

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my take is 7 out of 10 points is amazing good have easily been 10 out of 10 wooooo

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People on this board are grossly overating Subban. He has been awful most of the time. Including the entire Philly series in last years playoffs.

I love his physical talent level but he has no idea what he's doing on the ice and causes far more opportunities for the opposition than he generates for his own team.

I would give him 4/10 at this early juncture.

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People on this board are grossly overating Subban. He has been awful most of the time. Including the entire Philly series in last years playoffs.

I love his physical talent level but he has no idea what he's doing on the ice and causes far more opportunities for the opposition than he generates for his own team.

I would give him 4/10 at this early juncture.
Too harsh IMO.

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I think you and many other people have been overly harsh on Spacek. He has brain farts a couple times per game but he's not that bad the rest of the time. It still baffles me how can Darche be on this team and White isn't. And **** this 1-way contract BS, no one in their right mind will claim him on if he's put on waivers. PG could send him down and up 20 times a day and no one will pick him up.
agreed on Spacek. he do have brain cramps from time to time, but he'll also make amazing defensive plays. He strip the puck from forwards a lot, also made an incredible "save".

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People on this board are grossly overating Subban. He has been awful most of the time. Including the entire Philly series in last years playoffs.

I love his physical talent level but he has no idea what he's doing on the ice and causes far more opportunities for the opposition than he generates for his own team.

I would give him 4/10 at this early juncture.
Although I like 4/10 is a little too harsh, I can see where you're coming from. He tends to look a little lost in the defensive zone and usually gets caught pretty quickly on his rushes. He's still been pretty good, but he needs a LOT of work before he IS good.

PK Subban gets 5.5/10 from me.

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Although I like 4/10 is a little too harsh, I can see where you're coming from. He tends to look a little lost in the defensive zone and usually gets caught pretty quickly on his rushes. He's still been pretty good, but he needs a LOT of work before he IS good.

PK Subban gets 5.5/10 from me.
You guys are basing this on 1 bad game. Subban is +3 on the season so far... and has averaged 22 minutes a game. He's fine defensively, and when he makes a mistake, he fixes it on the same play! The only exception was the tampa game, and players, especially rookies, are allowed to have a bad game.

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You guys are basing this on 1 bad game. Subban is +3 on the season so far... and has averaged 22 minutes a game. He's fine defensively, and when he makes a mistake, he fixes it on the same play! The only exception was the tampa game, and players, especially rookies, are allowed to have a bad game.
Agree with you
he makes error but he tries and play his game.


but OP i think you are really harsh

you gave a 30% grade for Spacek?
I know people hate him and made some errors. But 30%.

Every players are giving what they can.

Mathieu Darche got 4?
but for his role, 7 min per game, he played for a rating 4/10?

If you compare Darche to Plecanek, then yes he deserve a 4
but for his role, i do not agree at all. Every player is playing his role.

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my take is 7 out of 10 points is amazing good have easily been 10 out of 10 wooooo
It could also mean 0 points out of 10. Every game has been decided by one goal, I don't know if that's a positive or a negative. It either shows they have the resiliency to stay in contention every game, or they cannot pull away and are mediocre.

And if people remember, Subban had a slow start in Hamilton last year and then pulled away. I am not worried about him.

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It's hard to say, because at the beginning of last year they'd never played together before, but this season there seems to be some fire in the first 5 games. I can't put my finger on it but I've seen a lot more drive and second effort so far than we did at most points last season. I feel we're showing the same effort we saw in the playoffs last year. Anybody else notice?

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O'Byrne gets the same or higher rating than Spacek, Boyd, Eller, Darche and Gill? Meanwhile Subban gets an 8 for running all over the place, creating rushes for them or sending himself to the box? Gorges gets a much higher rating than Andrei K? Pouliot the same as Lapierre?

Ratings are subjective. To each their own.

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It could also mean 0 points out of 10. Every game has been decided by one goal, I don't know if that's a positive or a negative. It either shows they have the resiliency to stay in contention every game, or they cannot pull away and are mediocre.

And if people remember, Subban had a slow start in Hamilton last year and then pulled away. I am not worried about him.
One goal games are Jaques Martin's signature. If the team ever gets up by a couple they just give up on offense altogether, been true everywhere he's coached.

I agree about Subban. He's the kind of player who has to get out there and try things and he's going to make mistakes. He's also going to make up for them.

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Im slightly worried about Price because if you noticed last night, all 3 of Ottawa's goals were glove side.

Luckily save out smarted his opponent when he finally made a spectacular glove save to keep the team in the lead.

But you can definitely see that teams are aiming over his glove side so he's definitely gotta work on that!

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O'Byrne gets the same or higher rating than Spacek, Boyd, Eller, Darche and Gill? Meanwhile Subban gets an 8 for running all over the place, creating rushes for them or sending himself to the box? Gorges gets a much higher rating than Andrei K? Pouliot the same as Lapierre?

Ratings are subjective. To each their own.
my grades are by position, O'byrne gets a better grade then Spacek because, althought he didn't do much since the beginning of the year, he didn't have so much huge mistakes as Spacek got and considering experience, salary and what he is suppose to bring to the table, Spacek as been definetly a deception so far...

Gill gets the same rating because at this stage of the season, that's all he can bring and as time goes by he will be a little better but he can't make miracle, i always think that there is some hope for O'byrne to get better

Boyd, Eller, Darche are forward and should be judge as forward... it's hard for me to give a worst rating to Darche as he only had the chance to play 2 games, which is not the case for Boyd and Eller...

Subban grade may look high, but even with the mistakes and mishap he has, we can all see the kid as special talent, and for the span or 5 games, was the second best D of this team so the higher grade...

i don't mix D and O, but if i would have to, i would still give a higher mark to Gorges then Kosty (even though Kosty is gold in my book since the beginning of the year)

Lapierre brings you the maximum he can give you, that's why he gets that grade, if you compare to Pouliot, the effort as been there from Benoit but like the last 15 games and playoff last year, he doesn't get much result. If you would split the grade, i'd give him a B for effort and a D for result, but the latter not being only is fault...

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Although I like 4/10 is a little too harsh, I can see where you're coming from. He tends to look a little lost in the defensive zone and usually gets caught pretty quickly on his rushes. He's still been pretty good, but he needs a LOT of work before he IS good.

PK Subban gets 5.5/10 from me.
as the second defenseman on a team that is 3-1-1, i think it would be arsh to give him only 5.5/10

that being said on your ratings he will get a better grade when Markov is back because by the load he takes and his talent, Markov will make anyone better, on my rating, he might get a lower grade as he will play less and if keeps on making mistakes on a smaller time played, it will be more costly on the evaluation...

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Agree with you
he makes error but he tries and play his game.


but OP i think you are really harsh

you gave a 30% grade for Spacek?
I know people hate him and made some errors. But 30%.

Every players are giving what they can.

Mathieu Darche got 4?
but for his role, 7 min per game, he played for a rating 4/10?

If you compare Darche to Plecanek, then yes he deserve a 4
but for his role, i do not agree at all. Every player is playing his role.
the number might startle you but to me, Spacek is suppose to be worth more than what he presently brings which explains the poor grade, from a guy like Darche, i agree he gives you what he got, the number is more related on the fact that he is clearly the 12 or 13 forward and if he was cut 3 times (it would have been four without Cammy's suspension) i don't know how i could give him a better grade, a better assesment would have been like Auld and not give him a mark at all...

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Im slightly worried about Price because if you noticed last night, all 3 of Ottawa's goals were glove side.

Luckily save out smarted his opponent when he finally made a spectacular glove save to keep the team in the lead.

But you can definitely see that teams are aiming over his glove side so he's definitely gotta work on that!
I kind of agree with you about weakness on Price's glove side. But he has made some good glove saves on prevous games. I do see a lot of improvement from Price regarding saves with the gloves. The glove save against Regein at the end of the second period seemed to spark the Habs on the third period last night.

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