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06-16-2010, 09:46 AM
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Atlanta - Boston

TO ATL:

Blake Wheeler
32nd Overall

To BOS:

Bryan Little

Two dynamic players, but I think Little has more of an edge right now. Thoughts?

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Change that 32nd to 15th and then we might consider it.

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Little is considered a part of our young core and is currently on the top line. Not interested.

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06-16-2010, 10:06 AM
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Right. SO is Wheeler. They both had great rookie seasons and then cruddy sophomore seasons. I included the pick because Little has a few more points.

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Pass. Why would you try to sell us on a trade when you clearly stated that our existing player is better?

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Pass. Why would you try to sell us on a trade when you clearly stated that our existing player is better?
Woah, I didn't say he was WAY better. I said he had a few more points. I think a change of scenery could be interesting for both players. I looked around for players that were comparable to Wheeler and points/age wise it was Little. BUT Little had more points. Both got nods for Calder nominations if I'm not mistaken. So I threw in the 32nd overall. I would have said 15th overall that BOS has but given the depth and possibilities, that could be a Getzlaf (19th overall in 03'" lol

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Little is more likely to resign with Atlanta than Wheeler is. Why would we risk a Top-6 forward for 1 maybe 2 seasons of a malcontent player? I like the value of the 15th added, but the draft is usually a crapshoot especially after the 10th pick.

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Little is more likely to resign with Atlanta than Wheeler is. Why would we risk a Top-6 forward for 1 maybe 2 seasons of a malcontent player? I like the value of the 15th added, but the draft is usually a crapshoot especially after the 10th pick.
REALLY?!?!?!

2003 ALONE

11th - Jeff Carter
13th - Dustin Brown
14th - Brent Seabrook
16th - Steve Bernier
17th - Zach Parise
24th - Mike Richards
28th - Corey Perry

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Wheeler's running out on Phoenix makes me nervous too.

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REALLY?!?!?!

2003 ALONE

11th - Jeff Carter
13th - Dustin Brown
14th - Brent Seabrook
16th - Steve Bernier
17th - Zach Parise
24th - Mike Richards
28th - Corey Perry
2003 was one of the two or three greatest drafts ever.

Bad benchmark.

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2003 was one of the two or three greatest drafts ever.

Bad benchmark.
SO it can't happen? A lot of analysts have been calling this a VERY deep draft.

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Alright, I compared 2 players that were very close in age and stats. I added a pick. What does Bryan Little deserve back from Boston? You have criticized, but only one person has given input. (32nd to 15th)

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Value wise, the deal is not that bad. Yet, Little's value is currently deflated, because of his down season. With that it mind, it is a no go from the Thrashers' perspective. Is Wheeler a good play? Yes, but do remember that B. Little had a 31 goal season, which is the most of any Thrasher, while Wheeler is more of a "power forward", which we do not need with Kane. The 32nd overall pick holds value, but not enough to obtain Little.

As mentioned above, Little is also part of our young core, though he is one of our longest tenured players; and Wheeler concerns most non-traditional hockey market fans.

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I think, at least as fans, we're tired of the carousel of players in and out. We haven't even had a captain play a full season since ... I don't even know. I like Little. I think he's good for our future. It's fun to talk about since it's the offseason but I'd like to see some consistency in ATL.

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Value wise, the deal is not that bad. Yet, Little's value is currently deflated, because of his down season. With that it mind, it is a no go from the Thrashers' perspective. Is Wheeler a good play? Yes, but do remember that B. Little had a 31 goal season, which is the most of any Thrasher, while Wheeler is more of a "power forward", which we do not need with Kane. The 32nd overall pick holds value, but not enough to obtain Little.

As mentioned above, Little is also part of our young core, though he is one of our longest tenured players; and Wheeler concerns most non-traditional hockey market fans.
This pretty much sums it up. Little ain't goin no where.

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SO it can't happen? A lot of analysts have been calling this a VERY deep draft.
Naw, they're calling it a draft with 2-3 superstars.
and a bunch of -meh- picks from 4-20 where you can put names in a hat and have the same chance of them becoming useful.

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I would have said 15th overall that BOS has but given the depth and possibilities, that could be a Getzlaf (19th overall in 03'" lol
Okay. Counter offer.

To Bos
Little
54th
(Holzapfel, you can have him if Little+pick isn't enough, because I don't see him in the our future line-up)

To Atl
Wheeler
Ryder
15th

Is that ok? We take Ryder out of your hands.

Wheeler is IMO solid winger, who might fit into Antropov line even better than Little. We don't have a Wheeler type of winger.

Then we could trade 24th to Versteeg and draft Niederreiter and possibly Granlund(if he isn't available then Skinner(?)) with 8th and 15th pick.

Next seasons line-up:

Bergfors-Antropov-Wheeler
Kane-Peverley-Versteeg
Pettersson-Slater-Ryder
Machacek-Reasoner-Thorburn

I think that is pretty good. And In the system we still have players like Niederreiter, Granlund/Skinner, Klingberg etc. Not that bad

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Okay. Counter offer.

To Bos
Little
54th
(Holzapfel, you can have him if Little+pick isn't enough, because I don't see him in the our future line-up)

To Atl
Wheeler
Ryder
15th

Is that ok? We take Ryder out of your hands.

Wheeler is IMO solid winger, who might fit to Antropov line even better than Little. We don't have Wheeler type of winger.

Then we could trade 24th to Versteeg and draft Niederreiter and possibly Granlund(if he isn't available then Skinner(?)) with 8th and 15th pick.

Next seasons line-up:

Bergfors-Antropov-Wheeler
Kane-Peverley-Versteeg
Pettersson-Slater-Ryder
Machacek-Reasoner-Thorburn

I think that is pretty good. And In the system we still have players like Niederreiter, Granlund/Skinner, Klingberg etc. Not that bad
Ill take little over ryder and wheeler(im too good for the desert)

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This is a bad trade for the Thrashers. No thank you.

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It'd have to be the 15+ in return.

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REALLY?!?!?!

2003 ALONE

11th - Jeff Carter
13th - Dustin Brown
14th - Brent Seabrook
16th - Steve Bernier
17th - Zach Parise
24th - Mike Richards
28th - Corey Perry
I can play this game too...

1999 Draft

17 Barrett Jackman
21 Nick Boynton
26 Martin Havlat

You aren't too familiar with the game of craps are you? If you play the numbers on the board(4,5,6,8,9,10) you have a 6/11(54.54%) chance of winning. I was actually giving the draft picks the benefit of the doubt. In the 2003 draft class, 7 of the susbsequent 20 picks amounted to be considered good picks. If you do the math that is only 35%. In the 1999 draft class, only 3 of the susbsequent 20 picks amounted to be considered good picks, which is only 15%. No matter what, the odds aren't in your favor. My whole point was that the value was good, but why give up a better player who will sign long term for a malcontent player who will leave after his RFA status is up + a pick in a good year that only has a 35% chance of being "good".

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why the hell do people keep offering us Wheeler????

He WONT wanna play here. EVER.

I don't want a bitter sore loser baby, playing with no effort and lack of work effort because he is stuck with us.

No thanks. Not that I'd do this anyway.

Little >>>>>>>> Wheeler and 32nd overall.


You want Little? Oh rlly? Well I want 15th overall, and a prospect. Or 15h overall and Wideman.

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Boston:
2nd Overall
Tommy Cross

Atlanta:
8th Overall
Ivan Vishnevski

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Terrible trade??? 15th plus?! OK, I realize people love Little, but I proposed the trade because... BOTH players have similar stats and ages. I understand the drafting system very well and to say that there were only "2-3 superstars" in this draft is laughable, and obviously someone who says that knows nothing about this draft.

I offered a 2nd round pick as well which was 32nd... almost a first rounder. Wheeler will want less than Little with similar stats. BUT take this into consideration.

Wheeler (Who i like by the way, was just offering something interesting)

Last year on 2nd Line ice time :

21 goals and 24 assists

This year on 2nd-3rd line ice time"

18 goals and 20 assists 38 TOTAL THIS YEAR

A Point reduction of 7 in the sophomore slump.

Little

Last year on 2nd line alternating (if Im not mistaken)

31 goals and 20 assists

This year on 1st line alternating

13 goals and 21 assists 34 TOTAL THIS YEAR

A sophomore slump as well of 17 points less in a more important role on the team.

I understand home-fan mentality but don't make them out to be night and day. Wheeler had more points this year and I offered almost a first round pick. Anything more would be expected if Little didn't have a tremendous drop in points this year.

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Also, if the picks this year are supposed to be such a "crapshoot" , why has every counter offer exclusively focused around getting our 15th? Apparently 32nd should be no different than 15th.

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