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06-16-2010, 01:30 PM
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Does Former Flyer Lindros deserve to be inducted in the Hall of Fame? (Updated)

Looks like Pavel Bure, Eric Lindros and Doug Gilmour are up for the Hall of Fame. Lindros before his career was cut short by injuries and his parent's meddling was one of those career avg point per game impact players. While he was a rare breed at the time, I don't think he deserves to be in the hall. Thoughts?


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06-16-2010, 01:31 PM
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I'd say no, but its not like he wasnt good enough. Can go either way i guess.

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If Cam Neely did, then Lindros absolutely does.

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Nope. Hall of Fame, not hall of what could have been/should have been.

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If Cam Neely did, then Lindros absolutely does.
That's my argument.

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Nope. Hall of Fame, not hall of what could have been/should have been.
pretty much this. I'm not so sure Bure should get in, either (For a guy who's greatest asset was goal scoring, he didn't crack 500 in his career... never won a cup, etc.,)

And I'm actually a HUGE fan of Lindros. I had gotten into hockey maybe 2 seasons before he started.

Plus, he was kind of a dick. I say no

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06-16-2010, 03:26 PM
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If Cam Neely did, then Lindros absolutely does.
Speaking of Cam Neely:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...PB2lgD9GCI5500

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BOSTON — Hockey Hall of Famer Cam Neely is the new president of the Boston Bruins.

The team's former star forward was promoted from his position as Bruins vice president on Wednesday. Neely fills a role that had been vacant since Harry Sinden stepped down in 2006 after 17 years as president.

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06-16-2010, 03:58 PM
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I don't think he had a long enough career and he wasn't the same after his concussions. Cam did have 50/50 one year, and he was more likable, as in not screwing over two organizations and meddlesome parents.

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has one of the highest ppg in nhl history. averaged over a point a game in the playoffs also i believe. Not his fault the GM never got the missing pieces. When he played you altered your gameplan. Those other guys you didnt. He was the total package. I cant even imagine how many points he would put up today the way the call the game.

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Yes. If Bobby Clarke can say yes, I'm sure the HHOF committee can too.

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Close, but no.

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As much as he produced, he could have done SO much more. Having said that, he made a big impact in the game, and there really hasn't been too many total package players like Eric since. My opinion is that he he should squeak in.


On a side note..How many here said to themselves during the SCF...."damn, I wish we had a '93 Big E out there to plant Dustin on his hind quarters"....in so many words. I know I did.

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It'll be close I'm sure...

That said, he was one of those players that were very very exciting to watch. And as someone mentioned before, teams would have to alter their game plan when going up against him. Most players that fit that mold are probably HOF'rs.

When I look back at his accomplishments, it seems the way he fell off at the end over-shadows what he's actually done.

Career PPG (including playoffs), countless all star teams, olympic silver and gold, Hart Trophy, LBP award, four 40 goal seasons, 9 straight seasons scoring more points than games played (FWIW)...

Too bad his career took a turn towards terrible town, but he was one of the best ever in his prime.

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I don't think he had a long enough career and he wasn't the same after his concussions. Cam did have 50/50 one year, and he was more likable, as in not screwing over two organizations and meddlesome parents.
Cam Neely: 726 gp 395-299-694 +82 / playoffs: 93 gp 57-32-89 -9

Eric Lindros: 760 gp 372-493-865 +215 / playoffs: 53 gp 24-33-57 +8

Awards
Neely: ASG 5x, 2nd team All-Star 4x, Masterton Award.

Lindros: ASG 6x, 1st team All-Star 2x, 2nd team All-Star 1x, Hart and Pearson award.

I really don't see how the voting body can make a serious argument to keep Lindros out of the HHoF after they put Neely in. In both cases the only real issue is longevity, but even there... Lindros played more games and scored a LOT more points.

All of that is before we get into Lindros' significant international hockey career.

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Absolutely, as the argument has already been made.

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The problem is that Neely doesn't belong in, and if we are going to use the worse players in the Hall as the guideline, the quality of the Hall keeps going down.

I don't think Lindros is a Hall of Famer.

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06-16-2010, 08:06 PM
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Yes.

Lindros did everything he could to bring a Cup to the Flyers, but the team was never built properly to win it all. Blaming him for not winning the Cup, or even citing it as a missed accomplishment, is ignorant of not only Lindros' effort as a Flyer but also the meaning of the Stanley Cup itself (it's a team accomplishment, hence why every player who wins it gets their name on it, not just the best player).

If you're relying on stats alone, he has some great ones to back up any argument. In addition, he was one of the most exciting and intimidating players I've ever seen play.

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The problem is that Neely doesn't belong in, and if we are going to use the worse players in the Hall as the guideline, the quality of the Hall keeps going down.

I don't think Lindros is a Hall of Famer.
... I agree

Cam does however have a movie or two on his resumé...


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OT... Speaking of stats, while not on a PPG clip (keeping in mind that he was a D-man most of his career), and even ignoring the WHA years, how is Mark Howe not in the Hall?... And please keep in mind that HHOF stands for Hockey Hall of Fame and not merely the NHL. (Lindros numbers listed for comparison purposes)

Eric Lindros:
760 gp 372-493-865 +215 / playoffs: 53 gp 24-33-57 +8


Mark Howe:
NHL 929 gp 197-545-742 +400 / playoffs: 101 gp 10-51-61 +51 (PO +/- does not incl Whalers 3 gms)

WHA 426 gp 208-296-504 / playoffs 75 gp 41-51-92

TOTAL 1355 gp 405-841-1246 176 gp 51-102-153

Awards and achievements:
Olympic
Silver medal in ice hockey - 1972
WHA
Second All-Star Team -1974
Lou Kaplan Trophy (Rookie of the Year) -1974
First All-Star Team -1979
NHL
First All-Star Team -1983/1986/1987
Plus/Minus Award -1986
Played in All-Star Game -1981/1983/1986/1988

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Lindros should be in if Neely is. Better career in NHL and had some dominant international runs.

That being said its straight up bulls*** that Mark Howe isn't in.

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Yes.

Lindros did everything he could to bring a Cup to the Flyers, but the team was never built properly to win it all. Blaming him for not winning the Cup, or even citing it as a missed accomplishment, is ignorant of not only Lindros' effort as a Flyer but also the meaning of the Stanley Cup itself (it's a team accomplishment, hence why every player who wins it gets their name on it, not just the best player).

If you're relying on stats alone, he has some great ones to back up any argument. In addition, he was one of the most exciting and intimidating players I've ever seen play.
I would have had much more respect for him as a team player and Flyers captain had he stuck around after the Red Wing Shellacked them in '97 and not headed out the back door leaving the questions to his Alternates... Had he manned up as Richards did he would have proven he deserved the 'C', IMO.

On a short term basis, games played-wise, I'd say he deserves the nod... over a full career against all other NHL players, I don't think his numbers stack up.

Based on how he stood up as a Hockey representative, I don't believe he deserves to be in the Hall. His demanding manner in both Juniors and coming into the NHL, as well as his behavior as a Flyers team member does not speak very well about the Hockey Community.

Taking his short career and demeanor into consideration, I'd pass on him if I had a vote... That said, I could see him being selected based on his PPG and dominance when healthy.


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If Cam Neely did, then Lindros absolutely does.
Cam Neely never won a major award.
Eric Lindros Won a Hart (NHL MVP)

Neely was on 5 all-star teams but was never a 1st team all star.
Lindros was on 6 all-star teams and one was a 1st team all-star.

Neely was top 10 in the league in goals 4 times.
Lindros was top 10 in the league in goals 4 times.

Neely was never in the top 10 in the league in assists.
Lindros was top 10 in the league in assists 3 times.

Neely was never top 10 in the league in points.
Lindros was top 10 in the league in points 3 times.

Neely never lead the league in points.
Lindros lead the league in points once.

Neely scored over a point per game 4 times in his career.
Lindros scored over a point per game each of the first 9 seasons in the NHL.

Neely is 79th all time in points per game.
Lindros is 18th all time in points per game.

Neely never played in the Olympics.
Lindros played in the Olympics 3 times and won an Olympic gold and Silver.

Neely is in the Hall of Fame
Lindros...

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Nope. Hall of Fame, not hall of what could have been/should have been.
9 straight season to start his career he was over a point per game, how is that what could have been? Its not like the guy had 4-5 good seasons and then fell off the map. For a full decade he dominated and intimidated his way to 785 points in 629 games. That's 1.25 points per game, to put that into perspective, on an 82 game pace, that's 102 point a season, for a decade!


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Eh, could go either way. He had some great years and some ugly years. I wasn't a fan of his and don't really care either way. If he makes I won't say he doesn't deserve it. If he doesn't I certainly won't lose sleep over it.

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If Cam Neely did, then Lindros absolutely does.
This is the end of the argument, and nothing more really needs to be said. Personally I wouldn't put either one of them into the HoF, but if Neely is in, Lindros MUST be enducted.

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A resounding yes, definitely one of the top players of the '90s...

Dude was scary good...

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