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06-18-2010, 11:52 AM
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2010-2011 Dallas Stars Payroll and Salary Cap

ForwardsCap HitSalary
Richards, Brad$7,800,000$7,800,000
Ribeiro, Mike$5,000,000$5,000,000
Eriksson, Loui$4,266,667$3,200,000
Morrow, Brenden$4,100,000$4,100,000
Ott, Steve$2,950,000$2,100,000
Neal, James$2,875,000$2,250,000
Burish, Adam$1,150,000$1,000,000
Barch, Krys$837,500$825,000
Benn, Jamie$821,667$635,000
Sutherby, Brian$812,500$850,000
Petersen, Toby$775,000$750,000
Wandell, Tom$775,000$700,000
Brunnstrom, Fabian$675,000$675,000
Segal, Brandon$550,000$550,000
Total$33,388,334$30,435,000

DefenseCap HitSalary
Robidas, Stephane$3,300,000$3,250,000
Daley, Trevor$2,300,000$2,500,000
Grossman, Nicklas$1,625,000$1,500,000
Niskanen, Matt$1,500,000$1,250,000
Skrastins, Karlis$1,375,000$1,650,000
Fistric, Mark$1,000,000$1,000,000
Woywitka, Jeff$650,000$700,000
Total$11,750,000$11,850,000

GoalCap HitSalary
Lehtonen, Kari$3,550,000$2,700,000
Raycroft, Andrew$650,000$700,000
Total$4,200,000$3,400,000

Re-EntryCap HitSalary
Avery, Sean$1,937,500$2,000,000
Total$1,937,500$2,000,000

2010-11Salary CapTeam Payroll
Forwards$33,388,334$30,435,000
Defense$11,750,000$11,850,000
Goal$4,200,000$3,400,000
Re-Entry$1,937,500N/A
Total$51,275,834$45,685,000
Cap/Salary Limit$59,400,000$45,000,000
Cap/Salary Space$8,124,166-$685,000


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Based on everything I've read about last year's numbers and this year's projections, I'm fairly certain that Sean Avery will count against the internal budget. Previously, Mark @ Andrews and Heika @ the DMN said they were unsure.

However, Heika recently said Dallas' payroll last year was approximately $45.5 million with a cap hit close to $50 million. To reach those numbers, Avery would have to have been included. Furthermore, his projection of the team being close to $40 million in salary now only works with Avery in the equation.

So …. You have $5.15 million to fix the Stars. What do you do?

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I do not believe that Dallas can sign the rest of their players for $5.15 million.

The first thing I would do is trade Brian Sutherby for a pick. His play and time on IR do not justify $850,000 on this team. Sign Warren Peters for $500,000 on a two-way contract (one-way if you have to) with the idea he is your 12th/13th forward.

I have a feeling the team replaces Krys Barch with Francis Wathier, but I hope Ray Sawada is able to step up and take the spot. Regardless, get both under contract for $500,000 two-way contracts. One makes the team out of camp.

I would like to see a forward traded for a defenseman. Preferably, I'd like to see Ribs go for someone making less money. At that time, dump Karlis Skrastins for a pick. Losing Skrastins adds $1.65 million to salary room.

With Ribs gone, Fabian Brunnstrom should get an opportunity to fight for the final spot in the Top 6 with Perttu Lindgren, Scott Glennie, Tomas Vincour, Colton Sceviour, etc. Dallas needs to go cheap with this spot, and $900,000 will probably be the highest salary.

Dallas then should sign Aaron Gagnon to a $500,000 contract (one-way or two-way) to center the 4th line.

Fill the backup goaltender spot via UFA for $500,000 to $750,000

Dallas, IMO, will need around $5.25 million to sign Niskanen, Grossman, and James Neal. It could be tight, but I imagine all 3 players Year 1 salary total will be less than $5.25 million.

Therefore, we’ve added at most $3.15 million to fill 1 Top 6 role, 3 Bottom 6 roles, and the backup goalie role . We gained $850,000 by dumping Sutherby and $1.65 million by dumping Skrastins. That puts Dallas’ payroll space at $4.5 million. Therefore, in order to gain the money needed to sign the 3 key remaining RFAs, the D in the Ribs trade most not make more than $4.25 million.

The end result:

James NealBrad RichardsLoui Eriksson
Brenden MorrowJamie BennFilled within Team
Steve OttTom WandellBrandon Segal
Warren PetersAaron GagnonToby Petersen

Nicklas GrossmanStephane Robidas
Mark FistricTrevor Daley
Filled w/Ribs TradeMatt Niskanen

Kari Lehtonen
UFA

Extra: Francis Wathier, Jeff Woywitka

I don’t know if that team is better than last years ….

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According to Mirtle on Twitter, 27 teams have their starting goaltender, and the UFA market is very crowded. I hope Dallas could re-sign Alex Auld for $750,000 instead of paying him $1 million.

As far as defensemen go, I guess they could take a run at Keith Ballard. Calgary is having a difficult time signing Ian White, and Anaheim is also struggling getting James Wisniewski under contract.

I'm not a huge Ian White fan, but Nieuwendyk is familiar with him. Plus he adds the big shot Joe wants. I imagine he'll end up with a contract similar to Robidas'.

Ultimately, the Top 4 is improved because Fistric is better than Skrastins while White seems to be a better option than Daley. The PP is also improved because someone can now one-time the puck from the point.

Daley and Niskanen played together some last season, and I'd say it's worth a shot to try and get both of them going again. Otherwise, dump Daley for picks like Skrastins, and see what you can find in free agency for around $2.5 million.

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So you think Larsen will be in Austin then? Very well could be, I think he will get a long look in training camp though.

I had expected Sawada to compete for a spot last year, and he just never got there. Hopefully he can elevate a bit but it maybe that he is topped out as an AHLer.

Is it bad that I'm already thinking tank for Larsson? Won't ever happen but this coming season will be one to forget.

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According to Mirtle on Twitter, 27 teams have their starting goaltender, and the UFA market is very crowded. I hope Dallas could re-sign Alex Auld for $750,000 instead of paying him $1 million.
From the comments from Heika it seems to hinge on whether Climie re-signs. If he does than one of Krahn or Climie will back up Lehtonen. If Climie doesn't re-sign I don't think they have a choice but to get an UFA goalie.

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From the comments from Heika it seems to hinge on whether Climie re-signs. If he does than one of Krahn or Climie will back up Lehtonen. If Climie doesn't re-sign I don't think they have a choice but to get an UFA goalie.
Yep. A guy who wants a one-way contract, #1 job, and already said the KHL is an option.

I have no problem with him testing free agency, but if we are already there, and Auld will take $750,00, I'm more comfortable with him than Climie or Krahn.

IIRC, Auld may be a year older, but he has significantly more experience. Plus that starting experience would be nice considering Lehtonen's injury history. I imagine Auld is the cheapest backup option with starting experience.

EDIT: Oh yeah ..... why rush Larsen when you look at Niskanen now? Nisky was at least somewhat use to the NA game. Larsen has played 3 NA style games in his life.

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The first thing I would do is trade Brian Sutherby for a pick. His play and time on IR do not justify $850,000 on this team. Sign Warren Peters for $500,000 on a two-way contract (one-way if you have to) with the idea he is your 12th/13th forward.
Yikes, no. I'm not a fan of Peters whatsoever. You get smaller, you lose fighting ability and you get less skilled. I'd rather just hope that Sutherby has a healthy season and is a part of what could be one of the better 4th lines in the league. With Sutherby and Segal in the lineup there's no need for a fighter to dress.

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I have a feeling the team replaces Krys Barch with Francis Wathier, but I hope Ray Sawada is able to step up and take the spot.
Sawada isn't going to make it, sorry to say.

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I would like to see a forward traded for a defenseman. Preferably, I'd like to see Ribs go for someone making less money.
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At that time, dump Karlis Skrastins for a pick. Losing Skrastins adds $1.65 million to salary room.
Oh God, yes. This should've already happened.

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With Ribs gone, Fabian Brunnstrom should get an opportunity to fight for the final spot in the Top 6 with Perttu Lindgren,
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Colton Sceviour,
Maybe. I'm kind of torn between whether I want Brunnstrom or Sceviour in that role. I guess it depends on whether the team is looking like it needs more offense or defense. And of course if Lehts wants to return.

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Dallas then should sign Aaron Gagnon to a $500,000 contract (one-way or two-way) to center the 4th line.
That'd be the right move, but I'm afraid they already made their bed with Petersen.

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Dallas, IMO, will need around $5.25 million to sign Niskanen,
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Grossman, and James Neal. It could be tight, but I imagine all 3 players Year 1 salary total will be less than $5.25 million.
Get it done with Neal and then figure out where you stand with the rest.

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I don't think it is.

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According to Mirtle on Twitter, 27 teams have their starting goaltender, and the UFA market is very crowded. I hope Dallas could re-sign Alex Auld for $750,000 instead of paying him $1 million.
Auld sucks. At least let's try some different crappy backup for variety's sake. Or make a real effort to improve the position. Either way. Hopefully the backup is not ANY of Auld/Krahn/Climie.

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EDIT: Oh yeah ..... why rush Larsen when you look at Niskanen now? Nisky was at least somewhat use to the NA game. Larsen has played 3 NA style games in his life.
While rushing Larsen and stunting his development is a legitimate concern, I don't think you can just point to Niskanen as a comparision. Niskanen played a total of 102 games above the high school level before he broke into the NHL. Larsen has played 127 games in arguably the 2nd best league in the world.


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Personally if it was between Auld and Climie and the pricetags weren't too different I would rather Auld be in net for the very reasons you specified, but considering they have an offer in to Climie if he doesn't accept his KHL offers and signs with Dallas that ship has sailed. There is doubt he will accept the Stars offer, which given the crop of UFA goaltenders this year I would rather they sign someone cheap and let Climie cash in in Russia.

I don't think comparing rushing Niskanen to rushing Larsen is really a valid comparison.

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Based on everything I've read about last year's numbers and this year's projections, I'm fairly certain that Sean Avery will count against the internal budget. Previously, Mark @ Andrews and Heika @ the DMN said they were unsure.

However, Heika recently said Dallas' payroll last year was approximately $45.5 million with a cap hit close to $50 million. To reach those numbers, Avery would have to have been included. Furthermore, his projection of the team being close to $40 million in salary now only works with Avery in the equation.

So …. You have $5.15 million to fix the Stars. What do you do?
So how firm is this self imposed payroll cap? I can see a team like Vancouver being very interested in James Neal and I wouldn’t put it past Gillis to use an offer sheet. 5 year $15.45mm deal that pays Neal $5mm in the first season:

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I’m guessing the Stars would match and shed salary elsewhere……but who knows.

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Instead of just "yes" or "no", how would you improve the team without exceeding $45 million in salary or are you in favor of going into next year with essentially the same team with the exception of the 4th line and starting goalie?

An unproven backup goaltender and an injury prone starter is a recipe for disaster.

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So how firm is this self imposed payroll cap? I can see a team like Vancouver being very interested in James Neal and I wouldn’t put it past Gillis to use an offer sheet. 5 year $15.45mm deal that pays Neal $5mm in the first season:

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I’m guessing the Stars would match and shed salary elsewhere……but who knows.
It’s firm if Tom Hicks remains the owner.

A front-loaded offer sheet to any RFA would be very damaging to the Dallas Stars this summer before the sale of the team is complete. Reports say the sale is going well, but anything could happen.

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What about Marty Biron as a back up, how much would he cost?

Personally I think he would carry a workload much easier if Kari goes down

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Instead of just "yes" or "no", how would you improve the team without exceeding $45 million in salary or are you in favor of going into next year with essentially the same team with the exception of the 4th line and starting goalie?

An unproven backup goaltender and an injury prone starter is a recipe for disaster.
Well first of all I've never advocated an unproven backup. Take a million, maybe even a little more, of that and go get someone with real NHL experience that's not Alex Auld.

Trade Niskanen, Skrastins, and Woywitka. Hopefully all for futures or AHLers. Just get rid of them.

Find 1 replacement-level defender. Note that this does not mean even league-average. Just someone who will be shamelessly below-average but not as god-awful as the 3 above. And cheap. I don't feel like finding names.

I would rush Larsen. It's sink or swim and I'm willing to bet he swims.

Hutchinson is your 7th.

Sign Neal and Grossman. I'm willing to go pretty big on Neal. Drive a hard line with Grossman when it comes to immediate dollars next year, but give him a bigger term. Like the Kari contract but smaller and longer. That doesn't make sense.

Play Brunnstrom. Play Fistric against harder competition. Put Benn back on the wing.

Wait until new ownership is in place before making any big moves. It doesn't make sense to me to sell assets for pennies on the dollar just to get something done. Oh, and fire Crawford, except that won't happen since Gallacher is buddy-buddy with that whole cadre. We're pretty much just screwed.

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Personally I want us to sign Yann Danis as our back up if possible. I think he's the most underrated goalie out there and judging by last season it's likely he'll sign for cheap, especially if he thinks he has a decent chance at a starter position eventually (well a better chance than in NJ atleast).

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Niittymaki, sign all RFAs, bring in Larsen no matter what we all think, and make one trade of a playmaking center for either a solid Dman, or a pick swap to improve 2010 draft position. Payroll savings from trade more than offset RFA signings. Force Crawford to resign and buy him out, and have Joe or Stu step in as interim at no extra cost. Have Brett Hull canvas for team donations and ticket sales.

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So how firm is this self imposed payroll cap? I can see a team like Vancouver being very interested in James Neal and I wouldn’t put it past Gillis to use an offer sheet. 5 year $15.45mm deal that pays Neal $5mm in the first season:

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I’m guessing the Stars would match and shed salary elsewhere……but who knows.
Wouldn't Van have a bone to pick elsewhere? I think they'll save them for when JVR and Giroux become RFAs.

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Wouldn't Van have a bone to pick elsewhere? I think they'll save them for when JVR and Giroux become RFAs.
Its not about picking bones...right now its about improving the team. I doubt we'd offer sheet Neal, he's the kind of guy we want but I think we'd try and make a deal first. Personally I'd like to try and pry Morrow away from you.

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Its not about picking bones...right now its about improving the team. I doubt we'd offer sheet Neal, he's the kind of guy we want but I think we'd try and make a deal first. Personally I'd like to try and pry Morrow away from you.
No thanks from me. A lot of people on hear should have proposals for you tho.

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Its not about picking bones...right now its about improving the team. I doubt we'd offer sheet Neal, he's the kind of guy we want but I think we'd try and make a deal first. Personally I'd like to try and pry Morrow away from you.
The good thing for Canucks fans is that he seemed to like playing in Vancouver.

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I added Krys Barch.

Dallas has $4,690,000 left in payroll room.

***** *****Brad RichardsLoui Eriksson
Brenden MorrowMike RibeiroJamie Benn
Steve OttTom WandellToby Petersen
Krys BarchBrain SutherbyBrandon Segal

***** *****Stephane Robidas
Mark FistricTrevor Daley
Karlis Skrastins***** *****

Kari Lehtonen
***** *****

Extras: ***** *****, Jeff Woywitka

If you give a backup goalie and 13th forward league minimum, Dallas' payroll room is down to $3.69 million. That's what you have to sign James Neal, Nicklas Grossman, and Matt Niskanen. That doesn't factor in re-signing Fabian Brunnstrom as a 14th forward (he was qualified).

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I added Krys Barch.

Dallas has $4,690,000 left in payroll room.

***** *****Brad RichardsLoui Eriksson
Brenden MorrowMike RibeiroJamie Benn
Steve OttTom WandellToby Petersen
Krys BarchBrain SutherbyBrandon Segal

***** *****Stephane Robidas
Mark FistricTrevor Daley
Karlis Skrastins***** *****

Kari Lehtonen
***** *****

Extras: ***** *****, Jeff Woywitka

If you give a backup goalie and 13th forward league minimum, Dallas' payroll room is down to $3.69 million. That's what you have to sign James Neal, Nicklas Grossman, and Matt Niskanen. That doesn't factor in re-signing Fabian Brunnstrom as a 14th forward (he was qualified).
Take out Neal and erikkson and a mid-season trade of richards and that looks like an expansion team

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would anyone here be against signing manny legace to a 1 year deal if we can sign him for say 550k-750k or whatever basement price we possibly could??

we need a reasonable back up who can play at least 20 games, i cant see lehtonen lasting any moe than 60.

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