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Brad Richards vs Weight

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Douglas Daniel Weight 2 15.38%
Bradley Glenn Richards 11 84.62%
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06-18-2010, 06:02 PM
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Brad Richards vs Weight

Brad Richards still has time to "up" his all-time value. the Conn Smythe back in '04 definitively helps.
Injuries have taken a toll on Doug Weight's career, its not a big one. But you can see that playing 82 games is not a norm for him.
Both primarily being playmakers should help in this debate.

Who will be the better player of all-time?
Douglas Daniel Weight or Bradley Glenn Richards




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Doug Weight is better right now.

Two more good seasons from Richards will put him ahead.

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Richards.

Two seasons top-10 in NHL scoring to Weight's one, and Weight has never done anything resembling Richards' 2004 postseason.

Only thing that Weight has on Richards right now is 400 career points, and that will be gone in a few years.

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Richards.

Two seasons top-10 in NHL scoring to Weight's one, and Weight has never done anything resembling Richards' 2004 postseason.

Only thing that Weight has on Richards right now is 400 career points, and that will be gone in a few years.
haha. Doug Weight fell out of having two top-10 scoring seasons by 3-4 points. Weight has never been a bad playoff permormer either. Weight also had worse players by his side like Ciger and Grier. Only player of class was Smyth and maybe Kovalenko.

Comparing their best seasons.

1 Doug Weight C 5-11 196 25 82 25 79 104 -19 95 16 9 0 2 204 12.3 129 59 94 5
2 Zdeno Ciger LW 6-1 190 26 78 31 39 70 -15 41 19 12 0 3 184 16.8 107 49 73 0
3 Jason Arnott C 6-5 219 21 64 28 31 59 -6 87 20 8 0 5 244 11.5 89 39 60 4
4 David Oliver RW 6-0 190 24 80 20 19 39 -22 34 6 14 0 0 131 15.3 64 34 53 1
5 Todd Marchant C 5-10 179 22 81 19 19 38 -19 66 14 2 3 2 221 8.6 46 4 92 31
6 Miroslav Satan LW 6-3 191 21 62 18 17 35 0 22 12 6 0 4 113 15.9 57 19 39 1
7 Boris Mironov D 6-3 223 23 78 8 24 32 -23 101 1 7 0 1 158 5.1 72 30 81 16
8 Dean McAmmond C 5-11 195 22 53 15 15 30 6 23 11 4 0 0 79 19.0 42 12 28 4
9 Mariusz Czerkawski RW 6-0 200 23 37 12 17 29 7 8 10 2 0 1 79 15.2 41 10 24 0
10 Kelly Buchberger RW 6-2 210 29 82 11 14 25 -20 184 9 0 2 3 119 9.2 44 3 104 43

1 Brad Richards C 6-0 196 25 82 23 68 91 0 32 12 7 4 0 282 8.2 1866 22:45 119 60 82 23
2 Vinny Prospal C 6-2 198 30 81 25 55 80 -3 50 15 10 0 3 236 10.6 1553 19:10 112 45 71 1
3 Vincent Lecavalier C 6-4 223 25 80 35 40 75 0 90 20 13 2 7 309 11.3 1610 20:08 118 53 75 10
4 Martin St. Louis RW 5-9 177 30 80 31 30 61 -3 38 19 9 3 7 221 14.0 1679 20:59 91 37 70 13
5 Fredrik Modin LW 6-4 218 31 77 31 23 54 5 56 18 12 1 4 221 14.0 1508 19:35 79 28 64 18
6 Dan Boyle D 5-11 190 29 79 15 38 53 -8 38 9 6 0 4 153 9.8 1851 23:26 107 47 68 0
7 Ruslan Fedotenko LW 6-2 195 27 80 26 15 41 -4 44 22 4 0 6 164 15.9 1228 15:21 67 15 57 1
8 Pavel Kubina D 6-4 250 28 76 5 33 38 -12 96 1 4 0 3 155 3.2 1704 22:25 99 44 100 33
9 Ryan Craig C 6-2 212 24 48 15 13 28 -4 6 9 6 0 0 81 18.5 737 15:21 43 19 40 12
10 Darryl Sydor D 6-1 211 33 80 4 19 23 -18 30 3 1 0 0 64 6.3 1527 19:06 65 14 105 36

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Oiler fan here, and it's Richards without hesitation for me. Weight wasn't a "bad" playoff performer, but much like a Sundin, he was never able to separate himself from his teammates in the spring by stepping up his game. Richards has a Conn Smythe after setting the playoff game-winning goals record. In the regular season, I can vouch for Weight being mainly a point collector. Lots of stat-padding against league doormats. Haven't seen enough of Richards in the regular season to know if this is the case with him, I'm sure some Lightning or Stars fans would know.

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Oiler fan here, and it's Richards without hesitation for me. Weight wasn't a "bad" playoff performer, but much like a Sundin, he was never able to separate himself from his teammates in the spring by stepping up his game. Richards has a Conn Smythe after setting the playoff game-winning goals record. In the regular season, I can vouch for Weight being mainly a point collector. Lots of stat-padding against league doormats. Haven't seen enough of Richards in the regular season to know if this is the case with him, I'm sure some Lightning or Stars fans would know.


Rk Player From To Tm Lg Pos GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH S S% TOI G A PTS S
1 Doug Weight 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 39 10 23 33 -10 58 6 4 0 110 9.1 301 0.26 0.59 0.85 2.82
2 Ryan Smyth 1997 2001 EDM NHL LW 38 13 12 25 -9 38 8 4 1 114 11.4 319 0.34 0.32 0.66 3.00
3 Boris Mironov 1997 1998 EDM NHL D 24 5 11 16 -9 43 2 3 0 57 8.8 0.21 0.46 0.67 2.38
4 Bill Guerin 1998 2000 EDM NHL RW 20 10 5 15 -11 28 5 5 0 67 14.9 168 0.50 0.25 0.75 3.35
5 Rem Murray 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 38 5 8 13 -6 16 4 1 0 52 9.6 276 0.13 0.21 0.34 1.37
6 Todd Marchant 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 37 7 4 11 -1 40 4 0 3 80 8.8 290 0.19 0.11 0.30 2.16
7 Kelly Buchberger 1997 1999 EDM NHL RW 28 6 4 10 -5 41 6 0 0 34 17.6 40 0.21 0.14 0.36 1.21
8 Mike Grier 1997 2001 EDM NHL RW 34 6 4 10 3 31 5 1 0 50 12.0 222 0.18 0.12 0.29 1.47
9 Jason Arnott 1997 1997 EDM NHL C 12 3 6 9 -3 18 2 1 0 27 11.1 0.25 0.50 0.75 2.25
10 Roman Hamrlik 1998 2000 EDM NHL D 20 0 7 7 -7 18 0 0 0 30 0.0 173 0.00 0.35 0.35 1.50

This is Oilers Top 10 points total for the years Weight played for the club. It's pretty revealing.

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Rk Player From To Tm Lg Pos GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH S S% TOI G A PTS S
1 Doug Weight 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 39 10 23 33 -10 58 6 4 0 110 9.1 301 0.26 0.59 0.85 2.82
2 Ryan Smyth 1997 2001 EDM NHL LW 38 13 12 25 -9 38 8 4 1 114 11.4 319 0.34 0.32 0.66 3.00
3 Boris Mironov 1997 1998 EDM NHL D 24 5 11 16 -9 43 2 3 0 57 8.8 0.21 0.46 0.67 2.38
4 Bill Guerin 1998 2000 EDM NHL RW 20 10 5 15 -11 28 5 5 0 67 14.9 168 0.50 0.25 0.75 3.35
5 Rem Murray 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 38 5 8 13 -6 16 4 1 0 52 9.6 276 0.13 0.21 0.34 1.37
6 Todd Marchant 1997 2001 EDM NHL C 37 7 4 11 -1 40 4 0 3 80 8.8 290 0.19 0.11 0.30 2.16
7 Kelly Buchberger 1997 1999 EDM NHL RW 28 6 4 10 -5 41 6 0 0 34 17.6 40 0.21 0.14 0.36 1.21
8 Mike Grier 1997 2001 EDM NHL RW 34 6 4 10 3 31 5 1 0 50 12.0 222 0.18 0.12 0.29 1.47
9 Jason Arnott 1997 1997 EDM NHL C 12 3 6 9 -3 18 2 1 0 27 11.1 0.25 0.50 0.75 2.25
10 Roman Hamrlik 1998 2000 EDM NHL D 20 0 7 7 -7 18 0 0 0 30 0.0 173 0.00 0.35 0.35 1.50

This is Oilers Top 10 points total for the years Weight played for the club. It's pretty revealing.
Weight and Smyth are the only offensive players who were both there for the duration of Weight's playoff career in Edmonton, this is a complete mis-use of the stats.

Notice how Edmonton basically achieved the same points standing the year after Weight left as they did in his final year there, despite no significant roster changes in other areas? Mike Comrie may have had 30 fewer points, but was just as effective as the top center since many of them came in crucial situations.

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Weight and Smyth are the only offensive players who were both there for the duration of Weight's playoff career in Edmonton, this is a complete mis-use of the stats.

Notice how Edmonton basically achieved the same points standing the year after Weight left as they did in his final year there, despite no significant roster changes in other areas? Mike Comrie may have had 30 fewer points, but was just as effective as the top center since many of them came in crucial situations.
They might have had about the same point total but they werent able to lift themselves up and get to the playoffs. The year after that a certain Marchant suddenly had a career year but Comrie was -18 and very bad atleast Weight was consistant which neither of the other players were.

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They might have had about the same point total but they werent able to lift themselves up and get to the playoffs. The year after that a certain Marchant suddenly had a career year but Comrie was -18 and very bad atleast Weight was consistant which neither of the other players were.
Weight was fairly consistent (played better in contract years), and of course he had a much better career than Comrie. Just demonstrating that he really wasn't as valuable to the team as his point total may indicate. A team dropping one win in the standings (it was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs unfortunately) after losing a 90-point player for spare parts (Hecht, Reasoner) is not exactly a sterling endrosement for that player. Each team is different year to year, so I'm not saying this is a huge black mark on Weight or something, but it is worth mentioning.

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Weight was fairly consistent (played better in contract years), and of course he had a much better career than Comrie. Just demonstrating that he really wasn't as valuable to the team as his point total may indicate. A team dropping one win in the standings (it was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs unfortunately) after losing a 90-point player for spare parts (Hecht, Reasoner) is not exactly a sterling endrosement for that player. Each team is different year to year, so I'm not saying this is a huge black mark on Weight or something, but it is worth mentioning.
The thing is that Oilers was one of those defesive minded teams (more than the others) and usually used below average players and clogged up the ice. They need Weight (and smyth) to produce.

However Im not saying Weight is better than Richards Im just defending weight.

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