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06-21-2010, 06:57 PM
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Seriously. They would put it as "the Flyers receive Nashville's 7th round pick in 2011 if they do not sign Dan Hamhuis prior to July 1."

That's why they call them 'conditional picks.' You only see either/or when the conditions vary among the draft picks (such as when we traded Daymond Langkow).
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Speak for yourselves then. I'm not the one who has a stick up my ass about "and" and "or."

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Seriously?
Srsly? O rly!? Couldn't help myself to do some bad English .

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Speak for yourselves then. I'm not the one who has a stick up my ass about "and" and "or."
There are no sticks up my ass, I just thought it was a curious way for everything to be presented or otherwise stated as official.

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You know it's the off-season when the grammar of trade announcements is the only thing left to argue about.

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You know it's the off-season when the grammar of trade announcements is the only thing left to argue about.
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06-22-2010, 01:47 AM
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Holmgren and Hamhuis’ agent, Wade Arnott, began negotiations on Monday. Holmgren said Monday night he doesn’t want to comment during these negotiations. Arnott declined comment, as well.

Arnott is part of the Newport Sports Group, headed by Don Meehan and Pat Morris, which has represented more than two dozen Flyers over the past decade.

In other words, the two sides have a pretty good working relationship. A contract could be in place by the weekend. If not, certainly before July 1.

It is believed Arnott is seeking a four-year deal worth $16 million.

“I just talked about how I saw him fitting in on our team, and that’s a key,” Holmgren said. He seemed a little bit... he probably knew at some point because the negotiations with Nashville didn’t really go well, obviously they didn’t go the way everybody wanted them to there.

“I think Nashville wanted to sign him, maybe it just was a little too rich for their blood, so we did what we did with the idea of trying to sign him and that’s what we’re going to try to do. We have 10 or so odd days to try and get it done.”

The salary cap for next year could be as high as $58.8 million – $2 million above last year’s cap.

Going into the week, the Flyers were about $8 million under the old cap of $56.8 million. They could have as much as $10 million to play with, but they also have restricted free agents Dan Carcillo, Darroll Powe and Braydon Coburn to re-sign.

And then there’s the matter of signing – or trading for – a goalie.

The Flyers intend to re-sign Coburn and keeping their top five d-men intact.

“We’ll see how it all fits in,” Holmgren said. “I plan on talking to Braydon’s agent in the next couple days and see where that goes. Our goal is to try to have them both signed, yes.”

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06-22-2010, 01:53 AM
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4 years for 4 million?
right on the mark <_<

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06-22-2010, 01:55 AM
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right on the mark <_<
Yep. Pretty much what I expected. 4 years $4.0m per or 6 years $3.75m per.

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So if Coburn indeed stays (and it sounds like Homer really wants to keep him), where do they go from there? Is Hartnell gone? Gagne maybe?

I can't imagine them keeping all those guys without making one pretty major move.

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Awesome, 4M sounds just right for him.

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dont really care what Arnott is looking for.
What is Hamhuis looking for?

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dont really care what Arnott is looking for.
What is Hamhuis looking for?
It's kind of weird that Arnott is looking for roughly what I'd expect Hamhuis to be after.

Arnott's already 35. That deal would carry him until he's 39.

His offensive production for the last 5 years:
NASHVILLE 09-10: 19-27-46
NASHVILLE 08-09: 33-24-57
NASHVILLE 07-08: 28-44-72
NASHVILLE 06-07: 27-27-54
DALLAS--- 05-06: 32-44-76

I mean, Nashville sucks offensively, but you can't believe he has that many 50 point seasons left in the tank at 35, let alone until 39.

His cap hit in his latest contract was $4.50m/year.

EDIT: McKenzie thinks Hamhuis will get more than I expect (sorry if this was posted already):

TSNBobMcKenzie I'm confident Hamhuis will get at least $4.5 million per year so something has to give.

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I mentioned 6/22.5 on the main board(3.75 per) for Hamhuis.

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06-22-2010, 02:38 AM
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It's kind of weird that Arnott is looking for roughly what I'd expect Hamhuis to be after.

Arnott's already 35. That deal would carry him until he's 39.

His offensive production for the last 5 years:
NASHVILLE 09-10: 19-27-46
NASHVILLE 08-09: 33-24-57
NASHVILLE 07-08: 28-44-72
NASHVILLE 06-07: 27-27-54
DALLAS--- 05-06: 32-44-76

I mean, Nashville sucks offensively, but you can't believe he has that many 50 point seasons left in the tank at 35, let alone until 39.

His cap hit in his latest contract was $4.50m/year.

EDIT: McKenzie thinks Hamhuis will get more than I expect (sorry if this was posted already):

TSNBobMcKenzie I'm confident Hamhuis will get at least $4.5 million per year so something has to give.
Are we thinking of the same Arnott? Because his agent's name is Arnott.

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Wait, what the hell? Are some of you confusing Wade Arnott (Hamhuis' agent) with Jason Arnott? Or are we joking and I'm not understanding?

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dont really care what Arnott is looking for.
What is Hamhuis looking for?
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It's kind of weird that Arnott is looking for roughly what I'd expect Hamhuis to be after.

Arnott's already 35. That deal would carry him until he's 39.

His offensive production for the last 5 years:
NASHVILLE 09-10: 19-27-46
NASHVILLE 08-09: 33-24-57
NASHVILLE 07-08: 28-44-72
NASHVILLE 06-07: 27-27-54
DALLAS--- 05-06: 32-44-76

I mean, Nashville sucks offensively, but you can't believe he has that many 50 point seasons left in the tank at 35, let alone until 39.

His cap hit in his latest contract was $4.50m/year.

EDIT: McKenzie thinks Hamhuis will get more than I expect (sorry if this was posted already):

TSNBobMcKenzie I'm confident Hamhuis will get at least $4.5 million per year so something has to give.

...you guys know the "Arnott" that's being spoken about is Wade Arnott, Dan Hamhuis' agent not Jason Arnott, the new Devil. Right? Or did I miss something?

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Terrific news! I'd gladly take 4 mil over 4 years. Things are looking good so far to say the least.

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So if Coburn indeed stays (and it sounds like Homer really wants to keep him), where do they go from there? Is Hartnell gone? Gagne maybe?

I can't imagine them keeping all those guys without making one pretty major move.
Homer has stated a few times that he's looking to keep Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, and Hamhuis (assuming he signs) as our top five (leaving Bartulis as our 6th most likely). He's also said that he plans on moving a forward for a goalie (which, if I had to guess, would happen during or after the draft).

If he does in fact deal for a goalie by dealing a forward then it's likely one or more of Carter, Hartnell, or Leino are gone (at least in my opinion). There's really not many forwards I think he's willing to move. Carter makes the most sense to me, personally. He has a high cap hit, is due for a raise soon, and has the most value out of anybody except possibly Richards. We also seemed to due fine without Carter last post-season.

That's what Homer has said anyway and it makes the most sense to me.

Personally, I love what Homer is doing here. In that article he states that he believes in building a strong (super strong in this case) defense and building down the center (we have 4 top six centers as is...). I think that's how you win a championship in this league so I don't disagree with him. It also seems like he's smart enough to not cheap out on the goalie position next year if he's planning on trading for one.

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Wait, what the hell? Are some of you confusing Wade Arnott (Hamhuis' agent) with Jason Arnott? Or are we joking and I'm not understanding?
That'd be me. I got REALLY confused for a second.

I blame the lateness of the hour.

Ignore everything I said except for this:

4 years $4.0m per or 6 years $3.75m per.

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If he takes 4 over 4 years i will be extatic. Thats pretty much a perfect deal for the flyers.

Lol at the people getting the arnotts wrong

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So Wayne Fish thinks Hammer was brought in for the 3rd pairing. Apparently someone doesn't watch Preds games.
Maybe they realize they are stuck with Leighton and are stacking the defense!

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Yep. Pretty much what I expected. 4 years $4.0m per or 6 years $3.75m per.
Really?? Sounds like a lot to me but what do I know....I dont get to watch him very much obviously.

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So if Coburn indeed stays (and it sounds like Homer really wants to keep him), where do they go from there? Is Hartnell gone? Gagne maybe?

I can't imagine them keeping all those guys without making one pretty major move.
Carter please! But what goalie is available and on a team that makes sense to trade with for either Hartnell or Carter? I much rather just sign someone like Ellis or Mason than take a chance trading for someone just as unproven as they are....

Hartnell Briere Leino
Gagne Richards Giroux
JVR ????? Powe (???? = someone brought in for Carter or signed with cap space)
Carcillo/????? Better Lappy

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Terrific news! I'd gladly take 4 mil over 4 years. Things are looking good so far to say the least.



Homer has stated a few times that he's looking to keep Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Carle, and Hamhuis (assuming he signs) as our top five (leaving Bartulis as our 6th most likely). He's also said that he plans on moving a forward for a goalie (which, if I had to guess, would happen during or after the draft).

If he does in fact deal for a goalie by dealing a forward then it's likely one or more of Carter, Hartnell, or Leino are gone (at least in my opinion). There's really not many forwards I think he's willing to move. Carter makes the most sense to me, personally. He has a high cap hit, is due for a raise soon, and has the most value out of anybody except possibly Richards. We also seemed to due fine without Carter last post-season.

That's what Homer has said anyway and it makes the most sense to me.

Personally, I love what Homer is doing here. In that article he states that he believes in building a strong (super strong in this case) defense and building down the center (we have 4 top six centers as is...). I think that's how you win a championship in this league so I don't disagree with him. It also seems like he's smart enough to not cheap out on the goalie position next year if he's planning on trading for one.
I much rather trade Carter than any of the other guys, assuming we get some size down the middle in return or with cap space, but I wonder if they are going to try to capitalize on how well Hartnell played in the finals?? While I dont want to move him, cant really say its that bad of an idea since he was terrible the entire preseason

Regardless, I want Coburn back......Coburn+Parent for Hamhuis is not equal value in my opinion.

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I'll go with the 4 years. We don't need another long-term contract with a large number to be tied up with regardless of whether or not he should get it.

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I'll go with the 4 years. We don't need another long-term contract with a large number to be tied up with regardless of whether or not he should get it.
100% agree. I was afraid we were gonna sign ANOTHER 7-8 year contract. Those kind of deals are getting crazy. 4 years at 4 mil is perfect. But, I still dont see why he doesnt trade one of Carle/Coburn...

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Maybe they realize they are stuck with Leighton and are stacking the defense!



Really?? Sounds like a lot to me but what do I know....I dont get to watch him very much obviously.



Carter please! But what goalie is available and on a team that makes sense to trade with for either Hartnell or Carter? I much rather just sign someone like Ellis or Mason than take a chance trading for someone just as unproven as they are....

Hartnell Briere Leino
Gagne Richards Giroux
JVR ????? Powe (???? = someone brought in for Carter or signed with cap space)
Carcillo/????? Better Lappy



I much rather trade Carter than any of the other guys, assuming we get some size down the middle in return or with cap space, but I wonder if they are going to try to capitalize on how well Hartnell played in the finals?? While I dont want to move him, cant really say its that bad of an idea since he was terrible the entire preseason

Regardless, I want Coburn back......Coburn+Parent for Hamhuis is not equal value in my opinion.
It wouldn't just be coburn + parent for hamhuis considering we would also get something in return for coburn

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