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06-23-2010, 11:52 AM
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Am I selfish for wanting the following:

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn/Bartulis
Hamhuis - Bartulis/Coburn

Then spreading out the minutes more evenly?

Kind of like how we role three scoring lines, now we role three d-pairings.
It makes sense to some extent, but how many minutes can you expect Bartulis to play? You're wasting the effectiveness of either Kimmo or Hamhuis who often play more than 20 minutes. If Bartulis undergoes a renaissance and can handle it, then he could be paired with Timonen for 15+ even strength (and then Timonen on PK/PP gets up to 20).

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06-23-2010, 11:55 AM
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Timonen - Coburn
Hamhuis - Carle
Pronger - Bartulis

Pronger makes up for Barts mistakes, our defense is basically perfect up and down. All can split minutes pretty evenly even strength.

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06-23-2010, 11:57 AM
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Timonen - Coburn
Hamhuis - Carle
Pronger - Bartulis

Pronger makes up for Barts mistakes, our defense is basically perfect.
Assuming Carle is here, I cannot see 'em breaking up Carle-Pronger.

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06-23-2010, 12:13 PM
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Am I selfish for wanting the following:

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn/Bartulis
Hamhuis - Bartulis/Coburn

Then spreading out the minutes more evenly?

Kind of like how we role three scoring lines, now we role three d-pairings.
I don't think it's selfish, I think it's smart. This way you always have a very competent defender on the ice.

Brodeur stopped winning Cups when he no longer had Stevens, Niedermayer, and Daneyko in front of him. The Flyers' top 3 (provided Hamhuis signs) would be a comparable top 3 - though not nearly as physical (Stevens/Daneyko) or smooth-skating (Niedermayer). They can, however, thwart opponents and make the first pass.

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06-23-2010, 12:14 PM
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Assuming Carle is here, I cannot see 'em breaking up Carle-Pronger.
If they don't break them up, I'd like to see Carle return the favor of covering up for his partner's mistakes. Pronger is owed, big time.

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06-23-2010, 12:20 PM
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Am I selfish for wanting the following:

Pronger - Carle
Timonen - Coburn/Bartulis
Hamhuis - Bartulis/Coburn

Then spreading out the minutes more evenly?

Kind of like how we role three scoring lines, now we role three d-pairings.
Weren't you the one who told me that it would be dumb to add Brent Burns to our corps already because of something about "a salary cap and not enough minutes to spread around"?

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06-23-2010, 01:04 PM
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Slotting Hamhuis as 3rd best when he hasn't plan a game is equally as disturbing. Hamhuis could easily get there, but editorializing at this point is not necessary
Please stop Wolfy, you make everyone who defends Carle stereotyped as idiots with comments like this.

Hamhuis is better defensively than Carle, it is just a fact. Carle's role is an offensive defenseman and for his relatively moderate cap hit and what he brings to the table he is very, very unjustly underrated here, but comments like this add fuel to the fire, man.

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06-23-2010, 01:14 PM
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I am going crazy every minute that goes by and a contract of Hamhuis isnt announced!!!!!

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06-23-2010, 01:28 PM
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Please stop Wolfy, you make everyone who defends Carle stereotyped as idiots with comments like this.

Hamhuis is better defensively than Carle, it is just a fact. Carle's role is an offensive defenseman and for his relatively moderate cap hit and what he brings to the table he is very, very unjustly underrated here, but comments like this add fuel to the fire, man.
Your posts don't provide much substance, other than trying to stir the pot. Just let it go.

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06-23-2010, 01:34 PM
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Carle sucks on the PK he gets pinned constantly, loses board battles, and turns pucks over on the PK.
Look at PK stats. #1 is Matt freakin Carle. I agree with Jester it is somewhat inexplicable given Carle's lack of speed and physicality, but he gets the job done on Kills, period.

Whether you like his passive style or not, that's just a matter of personal preference.

Peace.

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06-23-2010, 01:57 PM
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I feel like my point kind of got missed. Im not saying whether or not Carle is or isn't only producing b.c of Pronger. The fact is he is producing, and if that's b.c of Pronger it doesn't matter b.c he's gonna be here awhile.

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06-23-2010, 01:59 PM
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I say we trade for Kaberle

Pronger-Timonen
Kaberle-Hamhuis
Coburn-Carle

Stack the entire defense

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06-23-2010, 02:05 PM
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Look at PK stats. #1 is Matt freakin Carle. I agree with Jester it is somewhat inexplicable given Carle's lack of speed and physicality, but he gets the job done on Kills, period.

Whether you like his passive style or not, that's just a matter of personal preference.

Peace.
Yes... Carle is better defensively then Pronger and Timonen....your exactly right

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06-23-2010, 02:12 PM
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I say we trade for Kaberle

Pronger-Timonen
Kaberle-Hamhuis
Coburn-Carle

Stack the entire defense
That just wouldn't be fair! But we wouldn't even need a goalie! I like it!

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06-23-2010, 02:38 PM
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Yes... Carle is better defensively then Pronger and Timonen....your exactly right
Not to disagree with the point you're getting at, because I agree with it, but PKing is a bit of a different animal than regular defending.

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06-23-2010, 02:47 PM
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I am going crazy every minute that goes by and a contract of Hamhuis isnt announced!!!!!
I too am going crazy. I thought they would have had this done by now. And watching that lappy video is making want to skip summer and go right to October 7th.

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06-23-2010, 03:14 PM
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I say we trade for Kaberle

Pronger-Timonen
Kaberle-Hamhuis
Coburn-Carle

Stack the entire defense
That 3rd pair would make up for all the goals that aren't scored when the top 4 are out there.

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06-23-2010, 03:21 PM
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Not to disagree with the point you're getting at, because I agree with it, but PKing is a bit of a different animal than regular defending.
It certainly is, but you can extrapolate what a player does well. For a PK defensemen, their positioning and anticipation is even more important, whereas even strength defense requires extra emphasis on one-on-one play, breaking up passes, etc. Battling for the puck in the corners is equally important though, which is why it confuses me that Carle's PK efficacy was so good; he rarely does that work well and has trouble clearing the zone. How often was he partnered with Pronger on the PK (since Pronger was often with Timonen in critical situations on the PK, if not most of the time)? Otherwise he was with Coburn?

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06-23-2010, 03:26 PM
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I don't think it's selfish, I think it's smart. This way you always have a very competent defender on the ice.

Brodeur stopped winning Cups when he no longer had Stevens, Niedermayer, and Daneyko in front of him. The Flyers' top 3 (provided Hamhuis signs) would be a comparable top 3 - though not nearly as physical (Stevens/Daneyko) or smooth-skating (Niedermayer). They can, however, thwart opponents and make the first pass.
I'm having a hard time figuring you out. You've been a member since Jan with 18 posts so you obviously wait for some gems before you do. But when you do, you either you post stuff like this, that is bang on and 100% true showing a great grasp of the game. Or conversely you post things like "get rid of Powe and put in Nodl to save on cap space."

You don't sometimes leave yourself logged in and let Wolfy post sometimes do you?

Of course I kid but truth be told the Devils haven't been the same without the solid D corps. The ability to clear the puck out of the zone after the first shot should be some sort of recordable stat that we gauge a D's effectiveness on. The other stat I'd like to see recorded is "covered for partner when they brain farted"

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Not to disagree with the point you're getting at, because I agree with it, but PKing is a bit of a different animal than regular defending.
Oh I agree... but Pronger and Kimo are better at both then Carle is....by alot...

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Carle for one plays 2nd unit PK, and it isn't just about PK goals against. Wtahcing Coburn-Carle together on the PK is dreadful. Even if they arent scored against, they get pinned in the zone and can never clear

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06-23-2010, 03:51 PM
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I'm having a hard time figuring you out. You've been a member since Jan with 18 posts so you obviously wait for some gems before you do. But when you do, you either you post stuff like this, that is bang on and 100% true showing a great grasp of the game. Or conversely you post things like "get rid of Powe and put in Nodl to save on cap space."

You don't sometimes leave yourself logged in and let Wolfy post sometimes do you?

Of course I kid but truth be told the Devils haven't been the same without the solid D corps. The ability to clear the puck out of the zone after the first shot should be some sort of recordable stat that we gauge a D's effectiveness on. The other stat I'd like to see recorded is "covered for partner when they brain farted"
I've been a member since Jan 2009.

I had been talking Flyers several other places, trying to get a fit since work blocked my prior choice of talking puck last year. I like the atmosphere here. Of course, if work blocks HFB, too, I'm screwed.

I share as I have opportunity or as the spirit moves me. I try to encourage, edify, and entertain others and will gladly take all criticism, praise, and money. PM me for my paypal account.

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Yeah I actually meant Jan 09.

Just ribbing you a bit since I have so much time on my hands in these huge lineups at the mills this week.

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What's with all the Wolfy talk? Is OKT coming back? NOOOOO!

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WOLF comes back and im gonna tattoo OKT in my nutsack

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