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06-21-2010, 01:16 PM
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And the talent drain in Canada continues...

Since Bettman took over, Canada has seen it's teams lose dozens of proven stars ot US teams. (Don't kid yourselves, Canada. Spezza is moving down south.) Highlighted recently by Pronger and Heatley, of course, since they were both locked up to nice contracts at the time. Edmonton and Calgary oversaw their teams turn from powerhouses into cinderellas. Montreal lost the best goaltender of all time to a team moved to the US just when they were starting to look good. And now Ottawa is the latest Canadian team to have been pillaged of virtually all their drafted talent.

The best UFA to come up to Canada in the meantime: Alex Mogilny. Although he didn't do much in TO either. Other names: Messier (huge fail), Jason Blake (yuck), Thomas, Nieuwendyk, Allison and all those other washed-up vets that TO signed before the cap came into effect.

Most of what comes back up to Canada is used, washed-up and expensive, leaving all the young stars to play in the US in order to promote the game to the 'new fans' in the US that don't exist. It's a pattern that will continue.
Just a question... but how the hell is this Bettman's fault? Teams decline all the time, regardless of whether they are in Canada or not. Look at Tampa Bay and Anaheim? Both have declined since their cup runs and lost valuable players.

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06-21-2010, 01:18 PM
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Ha what?
1) If Hall is anywhere near as good as Spezza, his contract will be around 3mil (bonuses)
2) What part of Thorntons game is better? Playoffs? Nope, Spezza is WAY better there. Defence? Nope, Spezza is slightly below average. Turnovers? Nope, Thornton is consistently worse in terms of turnovers than Spezza is. Thornton had 2nd most last year, Spezza 56th most. Spezza missed games but prorated, he still would have less turnovers than Thornton, Crosby, Ovie, Datsyuk and Kovalchuk. It's not like Spezza has EVER had more giveaways than Thornton... like ever. His defense is at least on par with Thorntons and really Spezza has average defence for a star player, slightly below average for a forward.
I'd rather have Thornton, to be honest. He seems MUCH more serious and focused on his game. Spezza...ehhh...seems like a bit of a party/good-time guy, got some growing up to do. Thornton was able to make Cheechoo into a 50 goal guy, which Spezza was not able to...

If you talk about playoffs, that's fine but remember that we had an excellent puck-moving defense, Alfredsson on a mission and a weakish Eastern field at the time. Meanwhile in the West...San Jose has had to deal with Detroit, Anaheim, Detroit, Chicago, Vancouver...quite tough competition.

With Thornton only have one year left on his deal and with a fresh start, he'll be VERY motivated to perform. I would welcome him with open arms here in Ottawa. Thornton's speech patterns are also an advantage over Spezza's...


Nothing wrong with either of these players that a change of scenery couldn't fix.

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06-21-2010, 01:18 PM
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I'm a Habs fans and I'd gladly give 2 first, along with a good prospect ++ for Spezza, if we had the cap space.

#1 center that produce 90 ~ points (yes I know he hasn't produced as much lately) don't grow on trees.
I don't think we could afford to give up enough for Spezza

It'd probably take Subban, Cammalleri, 1st?

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06-21-2010, 01:22 PM
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capwise i dont think philly can even think about this
True. May need to swap Matt Carle in place of Braydon Coburn to make it work.

Carter, Carle, Carcillo
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Spezza, Campoli

That's just about even in swapping contracts, with Philly getting a little breathing room and the Sens getting a legitimate 40-goal scorer, a top 3 puck rushing defenseman and an aggressive pest to go along with Chris Neil and Jarkko Ruutu to form the most hated trio in the NHL.

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06-21-2010, 01:23 PM
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I don't think we could afford to give up enough for Spezza

It'd probably take Subban, Cammalleri, 1st?
Wow.

Spezza is being SERIOUSLY over-valued. If this is the value actual GMs are placing on him, Murray would be stupid not to deal him.

He is a 70pt centreman - 90 pts for minus the 20 pucks he causes on his own net.

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06-21-2010, 01:24 PM
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None of those are spare parts. Gagner- legitimate second line centre, future top line centre. Nash and Chorney- Decent prospects who should both by NHL regulars in 2-3 years max. Some more development needed obviously. And the 31st overall pick. Is the value there for Spezza, no. But they are not spare parts.
Alright. Changed my response to:

And by doing that getting a terrible return?

Yah, sounds like a great plan.

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06-21-2010, 01:25 PM
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Voracek + 4th Overall + Filatov

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Spezza + 16th overall

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He is a 70pt centreman - 90 pts for minus the 20 pucks he causes on his own net.
What?

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True. May need to swap Matt Carle in place of Braydon Coburn to make it work.

Carter, Carle, Carcillo
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Spezza, Campoli

That's just about even in swapping contracts, with Philly getting a little breathing room and the Sens getting a legitimate 40-goal scorer, a top 3 puck rushing defenseman and an aggressive pest to go along with Chris Neil and Jarkko Ruutu to form the most hated trio in the NHL.
While Spezza is great, the Flyers don't need a center. Richards-Briere-Giroux-Betts is plenty good. Briere can't play wing as the past season has shown, and Giroux is already being wasted on the 3rd line. No Spezza here...Carter needs to bait a goalie or a RW.

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Wow.

Spezza is being SERIOUSLY over-valued. If this is the value actual GMs are placing on him, Murray would be stupid not to deal him.

He is a 70pt centreman - 90 pts for minus the 20 pucks he causes on his own net.
Ignorant statement. Watch a couple Sens games before you say something like that. Sure he gives the puck up, but he's nowhere as bad as he was before, people need to realize this.

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Voracek + 4th Overall + Filatov

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Spezza + 16th overall
Don't let Columbus fans see that.

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I don't think we could afford to give up enough for Spezza

It'd probably take Subban, Cammalleri, 1st?
to whole point to get spezza would be to pair him up with cammalleri...

my proposal before might be a little too much but we would have to overpay to get him outta there plus into the same division...

we would get rid of andrei kostitsyn's contract and the sens would still have a great 1st line in kovalev-plekanec-andrei kostitsyn, add 2 first rounders with that, i dont see why the sens wouldnt want this...

plus, their 2nd line would be regin-fischer-alfy... not too shabby

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Wow.

Spezza is being SERIOUSLY over-valued. If this is the value actual GMs are placing on him, Murray would be stupid not to deal him.

He is a 70pt centreman - 90 pts for minus the 20 pucks he causes on his own net.
This is why your opinion is so ridiculous. Spezza had like 25 less turnovers that Crosby. Crosby is a 80 point scorer- 110pts minus the 30 pucks he puts in his own net.
That's what you're saying.

If I said that about Crosby people would literally flame me to near death and I'd probably have 15-20 people call me retarded per page. You said it about Spezza. Their turn overs are no different. Both end with a puck on the other teams stick. Crosby just does it more often.

I love how every ignorant post so far has been totally shot down by myself and others, yet the same people will spread the same views next Spezza thread because they need something to justify their feelings on his value that has basically been warped by negative media.

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06-21-2010, 01:29 PM
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to whole point to get spezza would be to pair him up with cammalleri...

my proposal before might be a little too much but we would have to overpay to get him outta there plus into the same division...

we would get rid of andrei kostitsyn's contract and the sens would still have a great 1st line in kovalev-plekanec-andrei kostitsyn, add 2 first rounders with that, i dont see why the sens wouldnt want this...

plus, their 2nd line would be regin-fischer-alfy... not too shabby
Haha wasn't that Montreal's 2nd line a season or two ago?

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Nice to see Murray say that he won't trade him unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. That should shut a lot of people up.

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to whole point to get spezza would be to pair him up with cammalleri...

my proposal before might be a little too much but we would have to overpay to get him outta there plus into the same division...

we would get rid of andrei kostitsyn's contract and the sens would still have a great 1st line in kovalev-plekanec-andrei kostitsyn, add 2 first rounders with that, i dont see why the sens wouldnt want this...

plus, their 2nd line would be regin-fischer-alfy... not too shabby
There's a lot of good value in the package if we could get Plekanec signed (I doubt his rights are worth much, though) but even though I like the Kostitsyns as players, I seriously, seriously doubt Murray would entertain acquiring them. I also doubt he has any interest of trading Spezza within the division.

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Haha wasn't that Montreal's 2nd line a season or two ago?
it was our best line, when kovy posted 85 pts and andrei scored 27 goals, it was pleks career year at the time with 69 pts, but now he got 70 this year so,

like i said, my proposal seems fair, sens obviously lose a great center, but they get 2 young top 6 players that have instant chemistry with kovalev, a head-case but with great potential in sergei, and 2 first rounders...

its a better deal than what boston gor for kessel at the time... we all knew the leafs would suck but maybe not that crappy

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Voracek + 4th Overall + Filatov

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Spezza + 16th overall
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Dubinsky, McDonagh and a 10th?
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Spezza in top 5 in PPG over the past 5 years. If you think Hall will be better than any of Malkin, Crosby, or Ovechkin during his career well you're just wrong. So basically at best Hall will be 4th in PPG over a 5 year stretch during his career. Spezza has been 5th. So at worst you're looking at the difference between Thornton and Spezza offensively.

That is assuming Hall hits his utmost peak. Spezza isn't in his prime yet.


Think about this. Analyze the facts and just think about it please. I don't see how you can make much of an argument against this. Hall could be great but to say that Spezza isn't worth the possibility that Hall is slightly better than him offensively is pretty off.
Hall wont be overpaid by 2 million

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i still think he ends up in edmonton...

sam gagner, riley nash, taylor chorney, edmonton's 2nd...

this would free up a TON of salary for murray, which should probably be his focus if he trades spezza...

this trade would really help ottawa with a rebuild as well, which they should be focusing on if spezza goes anyways...
i counter with penner, cogliano and smid except i didnt like that deal last year and i liked heatley alot more then spezza and now penner and smid have improved. Anything with gagner i say no to

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Nice to see Murray say that he won't trade him unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. That should shut a lot of people up.
Whats he supposed to say? "We'll take anything really. Offer us something and if we don't hear something better by the end of the day we'll take it"

He's doing his job. Heatley wasn't going to be traded either, remember? Phaneuf wasn't going to be traded and was part of the foundation of Calgarys future. At least that's what we heard from Sutter, only to see Dion traded the next day for peanuts. Just like Heater.

I just love seeing guys on the internet saying "The first overall +++, and if you don't like it, you won't get him!"
Oh really? You guys were saying the same thing last year. So were other teams when their star players were moved. Spezza has been compared to Thornton in this thread. What exactly did Boston get back for him again? What about Halak? He was supposed to be worth the world, and they got a promising prospect and decent prospect in return.

You don't get equal value when trading a star player anymore. If you'd like, tell me the last star player traded for a decent return. If you're able to, I'll have 5 trades where the return was garbage for every one you can name in the last few years.

No one can say for sure if Spezza will be traded, but if he is, you guys are going to get fleeced. Not the first overall. Something similar to Penner + Cogliano. Smid would not be a part of the deal anymore.

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Ideally, Horton, Reino, Dadanov and the #33 for Spezza

Realistically, Horton, Reino, #3, Dadonov/Repik/Ellerby for Spezza and ?

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Nice to see Murray say that he won't trade him unless he gets an offer he can't refuse. That should shut a lot of people up.
why he said the same thing with heatley

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