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06-22-2010, 06:54 PM
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Here's my capothetical roster

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
* Mason Raymond ($2.900m) /Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Michael Grabner ($0.843m)
* Ladd ($2.100m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.696m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m
* Jannik Hansen ($0.750m)/ * Maholtra ($1.300m) / Steve Bernier ($2.000m)
Rick Rypien ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
* Michalek ($4.500m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
* Willie Mitchell ($3.000m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)
Lee Sweatt ($0.650m) *

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.0m; PAYROLL: $58.822m; CAP ROOM: $1.028m BONUSES: $0.850m

*Alberts could replace sweat for a $400k more but Sweat seems like a good sort of #7, cheap, right age, good skill set to fill a few roles (held back by size)

$1m in cap space in case we need to pay a little bit more for Maholtra/Ladd/Raymond though I think the numbers I put up should be close (unless Ladd becomes a UFA and gets $2.5+).

If we need more Bernier can be traded and replaced with Glass to save $1.4m. Save the space until the deadline and make a move. But Bernier does provide some extra size and backup for when Grabner goes cold.

Coburn could be traded for to replace Mitchell at the same cost (around $3m).


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Coburn could be traded for to replace Mitchell at the same cost (around $3m).
I suspect $3 million is a number that would keep Coburn in Philly; most likely any scenario where we'd be signing him he'd clock in at $3.5+ million.

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What dire need does Ladd address? He could replace Samuelsson, at greater expense. The Canucks would be better off with Byfluglien and Sopel.

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I suspect $3 million is a number that would keep Coburn in Philly; most likely any scenario where we'd be signing him he'd clock in at $3.5+ million.
If they add Hamhuis I think one of Carle or Coburn has to go. Hamhuis seems like an upgrade on Coburn since they fill the same role, while Carle brings more offense so will likely try to keep him.

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06-22-2010, 08:01 PM
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What dire need does Ladd address? He could replace Samuelsson, at greater expense. The Canucks would be better off with Byfluglien and Sopel.
Ladd would replace Demitra in the line-up, and address several needs, including team toughness and secondary scoring.

He will also be significantly less expensive to trade for than Byfuglien.

On a side note, the Canucks acquiring Byfuglien is an utterly ridiculous idea.

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What dire need does Ladd address? He could replace Samuelsson, at greater expense. The Canucks would be better off with Byfluglien and Sopel.
Ladd should be much cheaper in cap hit and requires far less assets to aquire. Asking price for Byfuglien is a 1st and good prospect, too much.

What role does Byfuglien play on our team apart from being a wall on the PP? Don't see him as a great fit with Kesler and Raymond or the Sedins.

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Byfuglien and/or Ladd would be amazing. They would actually address the physicality concern because they use their size and they can actually play hockey.

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06-22-2010, 09:18 PM
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Is upgrading the Canucks' top 9 nucleus really necessary?

* I'm looking for the Twins and Burrows to have another great year

* Raymond, Kesler and Wellwood (if re-signed) should improve

* Samuelsson may regress a little due to age

* Grabner & Hansen I expect to improve quite a bit.

With Schroeder and Hodgson coming up, our top 9 is only going to get better over the next 2 years - we have one of the most potent top 9 in the NHL - at a cap friendly ~27.8M.

On the other hand,

* PK/4th line were awful - none of Hordichuk, Bernier, Rypien, Glass (and Johnson for that matter) kill penalties.

* Defence is not Cup material - Bieksa is ?, Mitchell's health is ?, SOB is ?, Salo is getting long in the tooth...

* Goaltending - needs to be better, hiring a FT goalie coach will...

The cap hit of those 9 forwards + Edler/Salo/Ehrhoff + Luongo/Schneider is only 44M, leaving Gillis with 15M of cap space theoretically (subject to trades & waivers) to sign 3 D and 3 4th liners.

I only see downside in making so many changes (replace Wellwood, trade Raymond, trade for Ladd) to our top 9.

Look at what the Hawks did: they upgraded one of their top players, and brought in a couple of veteran 2-way forwards. In our case, we also need some veteran 4th liners, and upgrading our D is what's pressing.

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^^

You are absolutely correct. The priorities are sturdy two way d-men (while dumping our liability dmen) and bottom 6 size/grit/intangibles/leadership/experience/PK proficiency

If we go out and sign a top 6 forward and do not upgrade the bottom 6 or D-core, then Gillis has totally failed. Our Top 6 is already very solid.

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You are absolutely correct. The priorities are sturdy two way d-men (while dumping our liability dmen) and bottom 6 size/grit/intangibles/leadership/experience/PK proficiency

If we go out and sign a top 6 forward and do not upgrade the bottom 6 or D-core, then Gillis has totally failed. Our Top 6 is already very solid.
Ladd would be a bottom 6 forward and address size/grit/intangibles/leadership/experience and PK.

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@outside99 Bottom line is we need players like ladd that can hit, not players like wellwood in our bottom 6

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06-22-2010, 11:42 PM
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Arent there rumors that Ladd is expecting a salary of around 3mil? That would be an expensive 3rd liner that doesnt contribute considerably in terms of offense.

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Ladd would be a bottom 6 forward and address size/grit/intangibles/leadership/experience and PK.
Oh, I agree (there is an overlap between top 9 and bottom 6) Ladd would be a terrific fit on the third line.

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Ladd would replace Demitra in the line-up, and address several needs, including team toughness and secondary scoring.

He will also be significantly less expensive to trade for than Byfuglien.

On a side note, the Canucks acquiring Byfuglien is an utterly ridiculous idea.
I think so, too. Gillis won't be doing anything this summer.

What was Demitra's spot? He rode the pine in the play-offs. If you are saying we need someone to be soft, skilled and injured a lot, isn't that why Hodgson is a lock ?

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Keep in mind that Ladd had more EV points than all but 5 Canuck forwards last season and all but 2 Canuck forwards the season before. I don't think he'd even be out of place as a second liner at even strength.

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What dire need does Ladd address? He could replace Samuelsson, at greater expense. The Canucks would be better off with Byfluglien and Sopel.
physical, experienced 2nd/3rd line winger. very gritty, can produce some offense even strength, has 2 cup rings, and is still pretty young. he's basically what we were hoping to get in Bernier.

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Canucks are interested in Hawks W Andrew Ladd, a BC guy, but a source says Chicago has no inclination to trade him to a conference rival.
Ouch, just like that.

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Ouch, just like that.
So the question is, will the Hawks take a garbage deal from the East just to avoid the Nucks (or any other Western rival) sweeping in on July 1st?

Also, is Ladd going to wait until July 1st no matter what happens? I would if I were him.


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If you are saying we need someone to be soft, skilled and injured a lot, isn't that why Hodgson is a lock ?
Wow, poor kid has yet to play a game in the NHL and he's already been pigeon holed and dismissed!

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people forget that Ladd is Raymond's age and put up similar numbers and was fourth overall in 2004 i think or 2005. He still has lots of potential and I would want him on my squad.

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It's always been quite obvious the only way we'll benefit from the Hawks cap situation is via offer sheets.

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Arent there rumors that Ladd is expecting a salary of around 3mil? That would be an expensive 3rd liner that doesnt contribute considerably in terms of offense.
That's completely false. The guy puts up even strength points but never saw the PP. As for the 3m, I'd rather give it to him then Raymond at this point. I like Raymond, but Ladd fills a need now and we have similar players to Raymond in the pipeline.

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It's always been quite obvious the only way we'll benefit from the Hawks cap situation is via offer sheets.
That's probably true, although I still think our ownerships willingness to eat contracts in the minors gives up a leg up on just about every other team in the league. Ladd isn't someone we can get from Chicago with an offer sheet, they can't afford to tender him apparantely.

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That's completely false. The guy puts up even strength points but never saw the PP. As for the 3m, I'd rather give it to him then Raymond at this point. I like Raymond, but Ladd fills a need now and we have similar players to Raymond in the pipeline.
WHO do we have that is "similar" to Raymond?

And what are you going to say when Ladd isnt playing with a stacked 3rd line and isnt contributing any types of offense?

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That's probably true, although I still think our ownerships willingness to eat contracts in the minors gives up a leg up on just about every other team in the league. Ladd isn't someone we can get from Chicago with an offer sheet, they can't afford to tender him apparantely.
That hasn't been confirmed has it?

In any case, I remember when Gillis tried to acquire Backes and was rebuffed. He promptly signed the player to an offer sheet. Will he do it again?

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