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07-22-2010, 08:03 PM
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Do players in the press box count against the cap?

question in title.

Do they?


Also: Regarding one way contracts, when the season starts, can you start someone on a one-way contract in the minors for the beginning of the season. Then when you need them call them up. Cause that's how I understand it.

and once you've called them up if you want to send them down they have to clear waivers?

It's so confusing and google yields no good results.


EDIT: also how many players are allowed in the press box? 2 or 3?

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question in title.

Do they?


Also: Regarding one way contracts, when the season starts, can you start someone on a one-way contract in the minors for the beginning of the season. Then when you need them call them up. Cause that's how I understand it.

and once you've called them up if you want to send them down they have to clear waivers?

It's so confusing and google yields no good results.


EDIT: also how many players are allowed in the press box? 2 or 3?
Anyone on the 20-23 man active roster - dressed or not - counts against the cap.

To loan a players to the minors they generally must clear waivers (unless exempt) - most players on one way deals will not be waiver exempt - and then they would need to clear Re-Entry waivers to be recalled (in most cases).

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question in title.

Do they?


Also: Regarding one way contracts, when the season starts, can you start someone on a one-way contract in the minors for the beginning of the season. Then when you need them call them up. Cause that's how I understand it.

and once you've called them up if you want to send them down they have to clear waivers?

It's so confusing and google yields no good results.


EDIT: also how many players are allowed in the press box? 2 or 3?
Yes they do count against the cap. Every player on your active roster does. How many end up there depends on your roster, 20 players dress for the game and you'll probably have 2 or 3 extra players.

Players on 1 way contracts have to be waived to be sent to the minors except in certain situations where they may be exempt. For example Sidney Crosby in hi first year was waiver exempt even though he was on a 1 way contract. Players on a 1 way contract though have to be placed on recall waivers because their salary would far exceed the max AHL salary to be exempt from recall waivers, which is 105k a year.

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Yes they do count against the cap. Every player on your active roster does. How many end up there depends on your roster, 20 players dress for the game and you'll probably have 2 or 3 extra players.

Players on 1 way contracts have to be waived to be sent to the minors except in certain situations where they may be exempt. For example Sidney Crosby in hi first year was waiver exempt even though he was on a 1 way contract. Players on a 1 way contract though have to be placed on recall waivers because their salary would far exceed the max AHL salary to be exempt from recall waivers, which is 105k a year.
Your salary, no matter what the AHL cap is, is completely irrelevant. Waiver eligibility has absolutely zero to do with money. Its your age and how many games you've played in the NHL (I believe).

Also, if someone is coming off IR, they can temporarily be sent to the AHL on conditioning stints without having to clear waivers.

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You may have a press box filled with half a dozen players under contract -- and all may count against the cap.....

First, all players on active roster and the IR count against the cap. (Those players that are on the LTIR can be matched in salary by a replacement guy on the active roster and the team can go over the salary cap by the guy's cap hit on the LTIR.)

Second, after the trade deadline, the 23 max active roster goes away (but the salary cap still counts until the end of the regular season).

So while most teams will have up to 3 healthy guys in the press box, if there are injuries or during the playoffs, that number could be greater.

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Your salary, no matter what the AHL cap is, is completely irrelevant. Waiver eligibility has absolutely zero to do with money. Its your age and how many games you've played in the NHL (I believe).

Also, if someone is coming off IR, they can temporarily be sent to the AHL on conditioning stints without having to clear waivers.
Salary has nothing to do with waivers to be sent down, neither does being on a 1 way or 2 way contract, but it has quite a lot to do with RECALL waivers. Which is exactly what I said.

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Your salary, no matter what the AHL cap is, is completely irrelevant. Waiver eligibility has absolutely zero to do with money. Its your age and how many games you've played in the NHL (I believe).

Also, if someone is coming off IR, they can temporarily be sent to the AHL on conditioning stints without having to clear waivers.
Half right.

Regular waivers do not depend upon salary - a player is waiver exempt for a given # of years or # of NHL games played (whichever comes first), depending upon the players age when he signed his first SPC:

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA Article 13.4
13.4 Exempt Players. Players who meet the criteria set forth below are exempt from
Regular and Re-Entry-Waivers:

Code:
       GOALIES            SKATERS
Age  Years  Games   Years   Games 
18    6        80        5        160
19    5        80        4        160
20    4        80        3        160
21    4        60        3         80
22    4        60        3         70
23    3        60        3         60
24    2        60        2         60
25+  1        -          1          -
As used above, NHL Games include NHL Regular Season and NHL
Playoff Games.
However, for Re-Entry Waivers a players minor league salary does count:

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA Article 50.9(g)
(g) Minor League Compensation. Neither the salaries nor signing bonuses
paid to minor league Players shall be counted against a Club's Upper Limit or the Players'
Share. For a Player on a One-Way NHL Contract or a Two-Way Contract with a Minor
League Salary and compensation that could be earned in excess of the following
amounts:
2005-06: U.S. $75,000
2006-07: U.S. $95,000
2007-08: U.S. $100,000
2008-09: U.S. $100,000
2009-10: U.S. $105,000
2010-11: U.S. $105,000
2011-12: U.S. $105,000
the following rules shall apply:
(i) To the extent the Player does not require Waivers to be Loaned to
a minor league affiliate, he can be freely Loaned and Recalled; and

(ii) To the extent the Player does require Waivers to be Loaned to a
minor league affiliate, he cannot be Loaned or recalled without
first clearing regular Waivers, and then cannot be Recalled to the
NHL parent Club during the same League Year without also
clearing a new Re-Entry Waiver procedure, pursuant to which the
Player can be claimed by another NHL Club for fifty (50) percent
of the contract's remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to
be paid by and charged to the waiving NHL Club (both amounts to
be counted against each Club's Upper Limit, Actual Club Salary
and Averaged Club Salary, and counted against the Players'
Share); and

(iii) For a Player on an AHL contract with a Minor League Salary and
compensation that could be earned in excess of the applicable
amount set forth above in this Section 50.9(g), who signs an NHL
SPC for the same season with the AHL team's NHL affiliated
Club, the Player must first clear the new Re-EntryWaiver
procedure, pursuant to which the Player can be claimed by another
unaffiliated NHL team for fifty (50) percent of the SPC's
remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to be paid by and
charged to the original NHL affiliated Club signing the contract
(both amounts to be counted against each Club's Upper Limit,
Actual Club Salary, and Averaged Club Salary and counted against
the Players' Share).
The Re-Entry Waiver procedure will not, however, be applicable to
Veteran Minor League Players defined as follows: (i) for goaltenders, Players who
have: (A) played in 180 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL
and ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the
prior two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the
immediately prior season; and (ii) for defensemen and forwards, Players who have:
(A) played in 320 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL and
ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the prior
two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the immediately
prior season.
Players on Conditioning Loans may be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers, but they remain on the NHL Active Roster and continue to count against the cap.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA Article 1 - Definitions
"Active Roster" shall be determined as follows: Commencing on the day
prior to the start of the Regular Season, and concluding with each respective Club's last
NHL Game in a League Year, Active Roster shall include all Players on a Club's Reserve
List who are signed to an approved and registered SPC, subject to the provisions of
Article 11, and who are not on the Injured Reserve List, Injured Non Roster, designated
Non-Roster, or Loaned. A Player who is on a Conditioning Loan is included on a Club's
Active Roster
. During Training Camp, a Player shall be deemed to be on the Club's
Active Roster only if he had been on the Club's Active Roster after the Trade Deadline in
the preceding season on other than an emergency recall basis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBA Article 13.8
13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for
more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps
he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the
Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise
Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action
against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period
of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled
to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club

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