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06-22-2010, 10:41 AM
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First Round Turnaround

The turnaround regarding our first round drafting has been impressive, take a look at the tale of two halves of this past decade:

1999
#4 - Pavel Brendl
#9 - Jamie Lundmark

2000 (no first round pick)
#64 - Filip Novak

2001
#10 - Dan Blackburn

2002 (no first round pick)
#33 - Lee Falardeau

2003
#12 - Hugh Jessiman

2004
#6 - Al Montoya
#19 - Lauri Korpikoski

2005
#12 - Marc Staal

2006
#21 - Bob Sanguinetti

2007
#17 - Alexei Cherepanov

2008
#20 - Michael Del Zotto

2009
#19 - Chris Kreider

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This why our team is in such shambles right now. The run of busts at the beginning of the century is just unfathomable for the Rangers. It also the same reason why teams like the Flyers are playing for the Stanley Cup because they have done a tremendous job.

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The assumption here is that MDZ, Kreider and Sanguinetti will all become legitimate players. I feel as though there is a good chance that will happen, but until it does, I'm not comfortable claiming that the Rangers have undergone a "first round turnaround". The only known quantity in that list is Staal, 1/11 so far.

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06-22-2010, 10:52 AM
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Staal was a freakin' steal at 12. He could've gone top-5 in that draft, and SHOULD have gone top-5. How he fell is beyond me.

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The assumption here is that MDZ, Kreider and Sanguinetti will all become legitimate players. I feel as though there is a good chance that will happen, but until it does, I'm not comfortable claiming that the Rangers have undergone a "first round turnaround". The only known quantity in that list is Staal, 1/11 so far.
Ding. Although if MDZ improves this year I think it would be safe to count him as a win as well. zCherry obviously was a bad bit of luck like Blackburn, Kreider is still waay away from being NHL ready, and Sanguinetti, really we have no way of knowing until we see how his skill set, skating, and efensive deficiencies adapt to the NHL.

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I understand what your trying to say, but your assuming korpikoski/sanguinetti/delzotto/kreider will be good players. Itd be better to look back at this list 2-3 years from now

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Staal was a freakin' steal at 12. He could've gone top-5 in that draft, and SHOULD have gone top-5. How he fell is beyond me.
Am I the only one who thinks he isn't a elite NHL Defensemen? He is a solid guy but to me he has plenty of holes in his game.

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i dont think he is elite...yet

He still has room to improve his game, but he definetly will give Jack Johnson a run for his money as best defenseman from that draft.

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Am I the only one who thinks he isn't a elite NHL Defensemen? He is a solid guy but to me he has plenty of holes in his game.
He's top 10 defensivley. And he's 23. Plenty of room to become an elite two-way defender.

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i dont think he is elite...yet

He still has room to improve his game, but he definetly will give Jack Johnson a run for his money as best defenseman from that draft.
He's already better than Jack, IMO. Jack can be horrid defensivley.

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This why our team is in such shambles right now. The run of busts at the beginning of the century is just unfathomable for the Rangers. It also the same reason why teams like the Flyers are playing for the Stanley Cup because they have done a tremendous job.
This is completely false.

The Flyers are a contender because of the quick turn around they made like the first or second year after the lockout.

People need to STOP with the past.

The Rangers have been VERY good in the draft since the lockout.

It does not matter what happened before that. All that matters is what they're doing now.

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06-22-2010, 12:01 PM
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This is completely false.

The Flyers are a contender because of the quick turn around they made like the first or second year after the lockout.

People need to STOP with the past.

The Rangers have been VERY good in the draft since the lockout.

It does not matter what happened before that. All that matters is what they're doing now.
THAT is false. Key parts of their team:

Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, and James van Riemsdyk. All drafted by the Flyers. Mike Richards was taken in the later first round of 2003, Carter was 11th, Giroux was 22nd, right after Sanguinetti. on the last one.

And JVR was a pretty obvious one at #2 overall.

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THAT is false. Key parts of their team:

Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, and James van Riemsdyk. All drafted by the Flyers. Mike Richards was taken in the later first round of 2003, Carter was 11th, Giroux was 22nd, right after Sanguinetti. on the last one.

And JVR was a pretty obvious one at #2 overall.
That's not exactly fair to say Help after that because as I recall the Flyers wanted to draft Sanguinetti so badly that Clarke forgot the name of Giroux because he was so confused after the Rangers has just taken Bobby

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That's not exactly fair to say Help after that because as I recall the Flyers wanted to draft Sanguinetti so badly that Clarke forgot the name of Giroux because he was so confused after the Rangers has just taken Bobby
This sounds hilariously familiar... Did this actually happen?

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WOW!

Heres the quote I dug up from "RangerBoy" in 2006, lol

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The Flyers were ready to pounce on Bobby Sanguinetti.That club knows their OHL players.Justin Williams.Jeff Carter.Mike Richards.Steve Downie.Last year,they coveted Marc Staal and Bobby Ryan

Only three had been taken through 19 picks, and South Jersey's Bob Sanguinetti was available when Rangers general manager Glen Sather strode to the podium at GM Place in Vancouver at No. 21. It looked like Sanguinetti might fall into the Flyers' lap at 22. But when Sather pickpocketed Sanguinetti, the Flyers were blindsided.Which explains why a flustered Bob Clarke looked out into the crowd moments later to announce his pick and actually forgot the name of the Flyers' choice

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Jinx.

Thanks rangerjoe.


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Besides the fact that the players drafted from '99-'04 never worked out for us, based on who was picked after the Rangers in the 1st round, '03 looks to be the only boo boo (Parise, Kesler), and maybe '04 (Green). Please correct me if I'm wrong, I definitely don't remember what our needs were every year in relation to what we drafted.

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if only we found a way to nab the Sedin twins in 99, lol

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"He's a whale of a talent." - Glen Sather, on Hugh Jessiman immediately following the selection in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

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"He's a whale of a talent." - Glen Sather, on Hugh Jessiman immediately following the selection in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.
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Can't keep dwelling on the past. The picks have been much better in recent years.

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Pre-lockout the Rangers didn't care about the draft, there was always a Valeri Kamensky there to save the day.

Post lockout and they actually value draft picks and the results are much better.

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THAT is false. Key parts of their team:

Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, and James van Riemsdyk. All drafted by the Flyers. Mike Richards was taken in the later first round of 2003, Carter was 11th, Giroux was 22nd, right after Sanguinetti. on the last one.

And JVR was a pretty obvious one at #2 overall.
My blunder.

I was under the impression they made their turn around the year they had the #2 overall pick.

They sent off a lot of their vets and rebuilt in what seemed like less then a year.

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Am I the only one who thinks he isn't a elite NHL Defensemen? He is a solid guy but to me he has plenty of holes in his game.

He's definitely overrated on this board. Go to any other forum and ask if the non-Ranger fans think he's elite. They don't.

Staal is an excellent #2 defenseman, but you don't win the Cup with Staal as your #1.

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Blackburn was awesome, he got hurt but he had franchise goalie written all over him. Very poised when taking over for Richter before we got Dunham(ew).

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