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06-22-2010, 01:20 PM
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Congrats Boston on winning the division.
I thought Buffalo won the division?

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Boston now is sitting at over 54M with 18 players being signed.

Anybody wants to come to me and say that the Habs are too "tight in cap space" to make any move of some importance?!

Hopefully Gauthier will find a way to be creative. There's no way we can beat Boston for the division title. No way can we beat:

Lucic - Savard - Horton
Sturm - Bergeron - Seguin
Wheeler - Krejci - Ryder
Campbell - Sobotka - Thornton

with

Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Moen - Eller - Pyatt
White - Lapierre - Darche

We need to get better, especially on the 3rd line.
We need Moore on the 3rd/4th line, we saw how he revitalized Pyatt and Lapierre during the playoffs.

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06-22-2010, 01:21 PM
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This change of scenery could help Horton move up a level. 30 goals are probable. His work ethic and determination should change considering hes going to a team that has a chance to compete with the very best teams.

Ive never really like Wideman, but he is a top 4 d-man.

Pretty fair trade if you ask me.

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Wow, Florida got hosed in this one.

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Boston now is sitting at over 54M with 18 players being signed.

Anybody wants to come to me and say that the Habs are too "tight in cap space" to make any move of some importance?!

Hopefully Gauthier will find a way to be creative. There's no way we can beat Boston for the division title. No way can we beat:

Lucic - Savard - Horton
Sturm - Bergeron - Seguin
Wheeler - Krejci - Ryder
Campbell - Sobotka - Thornton

with

Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Moen - Eller - Pyatt
White - Lapierre - Darche

We need to get better, especially on the 3rd line.
Pretty crazy lineup. but they need to shed some salary. thomas will be traded. Ryder as well. That's 9 million right there.

Watch Burke be stupid and trade Kaberle for Ryder and a 2nd round pick, just to make the bruins that much better.

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06-22-2010, 01:22 PM
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Boston now is sitting at over 54M with 18 players being signed.

Anybody wants to come to me and say that the Habs are too "tight in cap space" to make any move of some importance?!

Hopefully Gauthier will find a way to be creative. There's no way we can beat Boston for the division title. No way can we beat:

Lucic - Savard - Horton
Sturm - Bergeron - Seguin
Wheeler - Krejci - Ryder
Campbell - Sobotka - Thornton

with

Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Moen - Eller - Pyatt
White - Lapierre - Darche

We need to get better, especially on the 3rd line.
The thing is look at Boston's defense. Also I fully expect Montreal to add a couple bottom 6 players

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06-22-2010, 01:22 PM
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Okay so you pick the throw in on one side of the deal compare it to the main piece on the other side and the same with the rest and that's how you're coming with ya that's a good for both teams?

Makes no sense. Compare Wideman's future impact with Horton's future impact if you want start correctly. Then can say Florida will most probably get a better player with the 15th overall than Campbell.
I don't.. I think the 1st rounder is the main piece actually and that Florida is pretty confident that they have a chance to get a player as good as Horton..
Just because the 1st rounder doesn't have a name, doesn't mean he can't be the main piece of the deal..

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06-22-2010, 01:23 PM
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The thing is look at Boston's defense. Also I fully expect Montreal to add a couple bottom 6 players
Armstrong + Ladd would be sweet.

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Great trade for the Bruins, Wideman sucked. (at least most of the time)

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Boston now is sitting at over 54M with 18 players being signed.

Anybody wants to come to me and say that the Habs are too "tight in cap space" to make any move of some importance?!

Hopefully Gauthier will find a way to be creative. There's no way we can beat Boston for the division title. No way can we beat:

Lucic - Savard - Horton
Sturm - Bergeron - Seguin
Wheeler - Krejci - Ryder
Campbell - Sobotka - Thornton

with

Pouliot - Gomez - Gionta
Cammalleri - Plekanec - A. Kostitsyn
Moen - Eller - Pyatt
White - Lapierre - Darche

We need to get better, especially on the 3rd line.
Wheeler is a RFA so you can't say 54 mil and include him in their top 3 lines.

On paper they have very good forwards but they'll have to dump Thomas and possibly another player(Ryder is probably leaving no matter what) to sign Wheeler, Stuart and a couple more d-men.

Right now their top 4 is Chara Hundwick and Seidenberg Ference.

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Armstrong + Ladd would be sweet.
I want Asham. He worked us over good in the playoffs.

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Pretty crazy lineup. but they need to shed some salary. thomas will be traded. Ryder as well. That's 9 million right there.

Watch Burke be stupid and trade Kaberle for Ryder and a 2nd round pick, just to make the bruins that much better.
If Ryder and Thomas can find suitors, so can guys like Kostitsyn and Hamrlik then. I hope Gauthier didn't fall in love with his team last spring.

The Bruins are going to be that much better.
The Leafs are not going to be bottom-feeders anymore.
Bryan Murray always looks for ways to improve his team.
The Flyers are not going to struggle like they did last regular season.
The Pens still are a great team.
Tampa should be that much better as well.
Washington is a powerhouse.
New Jersey still has Brodeur.
Atlanta is an up-and-coming team.
The Rangers are not that far behind neither.
Carolina was one of the best teams last season after the Olympics.

Here's hoping we make some move of some kind to make that team better. I'm not even talking about a Kovalchuk or a Marleau. Just some move to make our 3rd line better and have more than 4 proven top-6 forwards.

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Don't worry Hab fans, we'll enjoy this when there is a lazy Horton on the ice when they face our teams.

The news articles during the playoffs should be fun to read: 'Horton is out eating at Tims', 'Horton under-performing'

Then again...who am I to joke, the Leafs aren't even in the playoffs.

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I don't.. I think the 1st rounder is the main piece actually and that Florida is pretty confident that they have a chance to get a player as good as Horton..
Just because the 1st rounder doesn't have a name, doesn't mean he can't be the main piece of the deal..
Well for me the main pieces of this deal is where the salaries are.

Edit: can't type for jock today...

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Great deal for Chiarelli once again. He'll make adjustmens for the D for sure using the depth at forward.

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Don't worry Hab fans, we'll enjoy this when there is a lazy Horton on the ice when they face our teams.

The news articles during the playoffs should be fun to read: 'Horton is out eating at Tims', 'Horton under-performing'

Then again...who am I to joke, the Leafs aren't even in the playoffs.
What I'm scared about, is them adding Horton + potentially Seguin next season. Their offense is damn deep.

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Very good move by Boston, stupid by Florida IMO.

With a new team, playing with a good playmaker like Savard, I see Horton scoring 30 next year. A motivated Horton could be very dangerous, on the scoreboard and along the boards.

Wideman had a very good year 2 seasons ago, signed a big contract and was absolutely awful last year. I bet Boston fans are celebrating that he is gone. I'm surprised Florida could not get more for Horton. There had to be more teams in the mix.

Anyway congrats Bruins, playing Lucic and Horton next year is going to be painful. After the disgusting end to their season this season, Boston fans certainly have a very nice week, first Horton and Friday Seguin. Exciting season ahead for them, still a long way to go in the summer but they are my early favorites for the division.

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Team in our division gets another big sized player with good skill. At some point we need to find a way to address this.

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Wheeler is a RFA so you can't say 54 mil and include him in their top 3 lines.

On paper they have very good forwards but they'll have to dump Thomas and possibly another player(Ryder is probably leaving no matter what) to sign Wheeler, Stuart and a couple more d-men.

Right now their top 4 is Chara Hundwick and Seidenberg Ference.
seguin is also not signed yet on the second line, his caphit will be roughly 3 mil (at least i vaguely remember the max caphit being 3 mil for top level prospects like seguin/hall/kane/toews/etc)
either way tho.. its either 3 mil or higher and, as such, its at least 57 mil w/o wheeler.

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Don't think it was a bad trade for a rebuilding Florida, but it is a great deal for Boston. Any team that can move a first round pick in a certain year knowing they have a MUCH better first round pick in that same year is in a good situation.

IMO, this trade just again shows how horrible the Kessel to Toronto trade looks.

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Personally I think Horton is overrated but a change of scenery should do him good.

Frankly though I think Boston will miss Wideman more than Horton will help them, he has been their best puck moving defencemen and a big contributer to their success the last 2 years. 15th overall is a good pick this year imo, deep draft.

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I don't.. I think the 1st rounder is the main piece actually and that Florida is pretty confident that they have a chance to get a player as good as Horton..
Just because the 1st rounder doesn't have a name, doesn't mean he can't be the main piece of the deal..
A player as good as Horton with the 15th? I don't think the odds of this happening are very high. Draft picks are nice, especially 1st rounders, but it is still a crapshoot. A mid 1st is not going to make the team anytime soon unless a big surprise.

IMO, I would take Horton on this team before the 15th. I guess many will disagree but I'm pretty confident about that, even more on a team like the Habs who could certainly use a guy with a combination of scoring ability and size. I mean, some people are ready to give a 1st and + for a guy like Byfuglien (which I certainly would not do), I think Horton would be a much better acquisition. Anyway, pointless to speculate about the last part, it is not going to happen. I just wonder how much Gauthier was involved in the Horton talks.

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Team in our division gets another big sized player with good skill. At some point we need to find a way to address this.
Ya because Eller is a midget right?

Montreal will add size to our top 9 im 100% sure

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Danm, they still have two 1st round pick in 2011 for another deal like this next year

Toronto is still a crap team..

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Ya because Eller is a midget right?

Montreal will add size to our top 9 im 100% sure
I like Eller but c'mon man, Eller is 6 foot, he isn't that big. I'm excited we got him, but we need a power forward, someone to create space and crash the net...I'm not saying we need 4 of these guys like Boston has, but we need some more size and variety.

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