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07-06-2010, 09:27 AM
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I've been chatting with the Montreal boys and SK is a very effective PKer. "Damn good" was the exact quote. I have been conjecturing a Selke line in my mind. Offensive enough to do the job but with Defensive players.

Hornqvist-Lombardi-Sully
Erat-Wilson-Dumont
Kostitsyn-Legwand-Ward
Smithson-Goc-Andersson
Belak-Tootoo

I honestly like the looks of the line. Sure it's Trotz but I figure we will see 10 predominate lines through out the season:

1. 2A
2. 2B
3. Selke line
4. Energy line

5. PP1
6. PP2
7. Hero/Max O line (TCPR line)
8. Speed line (Lombardi, Legwand, Erat or if Sully is feeling his oats, Sully)
9. PK1
10. PK2
don't confuse being a good pker with being a good defensive player. There are a ton of good pkers that are not good defensive players.

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07-06-2010, 09:33 AM
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don't confuse being a good pker with being a good defensive player. There are a ton of good pkers that are not good defensive players.
True, but I'm also going by reports from Montreal fan who say he's a two-way player. And let's face it, would Nashville pick up a player who was not sound defensively?

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07-06-2010, 09:36 AM
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True, but I'm also going by reports from Montreal fan who say he's a two-way player. And let's face it, would Nashville pick up a player who was not sound defensively?
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don't confuse being a good pker with being a good defensive player. There are a ton of good pkers that are not good defensive players.
see: Zanon, Greg

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07-06-2010, 12:38 PM
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The 250 goal Predators.

I'm crazy but not stupid. I fully admit I'm a little mentally bent but I like to think I have some logic with my post. As the Nashville Predators are currently constructed, I think they could score 250 goals next season. I came to this conclusion after building my lines and doing the math.

Hornqvist+Lombardi+Sully= 66 goals. (Projections 65 goals)

Hornqvist maybe young, he may not have the experience to be on the 1st line....but the guy has friggin 30 goals. Once again, I will use video game logic for this, Sully for the assists, Lombardi for the goals, Hornqvist to be the dumb SOB cleaning up the garbage and screening the goalie for Shea Weber's blasts.

Dumont+Wilson+Erat= 46 goals. (Projection 55-60 goals)

This will be higher. It has to be. Dumont was playing 3rd line minutes and STILL got 17 goals. Wilson was hampered for half the season with a groin injury. His 8 goals can go up, his 7 assists should go up. Erat will be Erat and continue to earn his rank as the highest paid Pred.

Kostitsyn+Legwand+Ward= 31 goals. (Projection 45-50 goals)

Ok, went and did some research on SK and this is what I learned from the Montreal boys. I paid attention to what he CAN do, not what he can't.

"Can be an effective 2 way player"

"More of a passer than a goal scorer, if paired with Legwand he should get Legwand WELL past 11 goals."

"Damn good PKer"

Look at that line above. Trotz's #2 PKer in Ward who's a goal scorer himself (13 last year, 17 the year before). Trotz's #3 semi-defenseman on the ice in Legwand who can be a goal scorer. And SK who may just be asked to feed Leggy and Ward. Could it be SK as the playmaker, Legwand as the goalscorer and Ward the clean up the garbage in front?

Smithson+Goc+Andersson= 21 goals (Projection 30-35 goals)

This will be higher. Andersson is a null set with 0 goals. Goc with a surprising 12 himself. This is a strong, strong line. Andersson with the physical attributes similar to Smithson. (Smithson with 6'3" 206lbs, Andersson 6'3" 212lbs). Looking at the WC Andersson can be a goal scorer. If Andersson can't do it, Spaling can and pull in maybe 5-7 goals.

That's about 195 goals based on my conservative projections. Add in a cheap 1-2 from Tootoo and Belak and say 3 goals from Milwaukee call ups.(Hell, Tootoo got 6 by himself). 200 goals. For the Preds to make my projections the defense will have to net in 50 goals.... Last year with an off year from Weber, the goal total minus Hamhuis was 31. Very doable.

Things have to go right. SK has to be the player Nashville expects. Andersson just has to be Smithson with a touch more goal scoring. I think that's reasonable. To give perspective, 250 goals is top 10 in the league last year, (Hell 241 is top 10 in the league). If I told you Nashville was looking at being a top 10 offense in the league you would be doing cartwheels.

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07-06-2010, 12:45 PM
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expecting 30-35 goals from the 4th line is way too optimistic, no matter who is on it, simply because of limitied ice time. and you are counting 50 goals from the d and thats probably at least 10 to 15 too high...

we scored 225 goals last year. if we can repeat that or bump it up by 5-10, and get better on the PK and have Rinne "on" for most of the year I think we will be just fine

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The team scored 217 goals last season with a 5on4 that was next to last in the league. Simply improving the 5on4 scoring to average puts the team at approx 230 goals.

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expecting 30-35 goals from the 4th line is way too optimistic, no matter who is on it, simply because of limitied ice time. and it also looks like you are counting on 40-50 goals from the d and thats probably at least 10 to 15 too high...
The only change in the 4th line would be expecting Andersson to get 9-10 goals. Smithson has 9, Goc has 12. If Spaling replaces Andersson then I would hope for 25 goals from the 4th line.

Defense wise, yeah that's a stretch. even at 240 goals the Preds would be top 10 in the league and the stats would be reasonable.

250 goals would be 5th based on last years stats. 240 would be 6th. 230 goals would be 11th. in my mind, looking at the TOI of the players I have on the lines I expect to see time splits of 17/17/15/11 minutes which is the TOI's of most of the players on the assigned lines. Based on last years stats; Wilson and Kostitsyn's non-projected numbers, Legwand underachieving, Andersson at '0' the Preds have 203 goals of players who would be on the roster.

230 should be expected, 240 is very obtainable, 250 would be pie in the sky but available with the talent on the roster and everything went right.

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bfc- reading your post makes me soooooo ready for this season to start. If it happens or not, I'm optimistic, either way I'm ready to see how this year plays out.

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bfc- reading your post makes me soooooo ready for this season to start. If it happens or not, I'm optimistic, either way I'm ready to see how this year plays out.
Ditto. I want to know who the back up goalie is. I want to know what the Preds get for O'Reilly. (If they can send him to Milwaukee.....Jesus. You might see a contender for the SC and CC)

I expect O'Reilly to be traded for picks. I expect Sulzer traded for picks. I expect an AHL vet D man to Milwaukee.

After that. I see the Preds with a deep O, it's traditional defense first mentality, and a central division which weakened itself. Detroit did nothing except get older. Chicago lost a lot of grit. Chicago basically lost it's 3rd and 4th lines to Atlanta. St. Louis was underachieving. Columbus was underachieving.

Next year was viewed as a bridge to the next year. But honestly, I think this team could be pretty damn good next year.

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The only change in the 4th line would be expecting Andersson to get 9-10 goals. Smithson has 9, Goc has 12. If Spaling replaces Andersson then I would hope for 25 goals from the 4th line.

Defense wise, yeah that's a stretch. even at 240 goals the Preds would be top 10 in the league and the stats would be reasonable.

250 goals would be 5th based on last years stats. 240 would be 6th. 230 goals would be 11th. in my mind, looking at the TOI of the players I have on the lines I expect to see time splits of 17/17/15/11 minutes which is the TOI's of most of the players on the assigned lines. Based on last years stats; Wilson and Kostitsyn's non-projected numbers, Legwand underachieving, Andersson at '0' the Preds have 203 goals of players who would be on the roster.

230 should be expected, 240 is very obtainable, 250 would be pie in the sky but available with the talent on the roster and everything went right.
goc wont get 12 goals if hes on the 4th line all year. he got his 12 playing on a quasi-scoring line for quite a bit of the season.

Smithson getting another 9 is also a stretch if he's not on a line with Legwand and thus getting mucho ES ice time


but I agree 230 should be doable and should get us back to the playoffs... 240 could happen if the PP finds a groove

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but I agree 230 should be doable and should get us back to the playoffs... 240 could happen if the PP finds a groove
I'm just estimating the ceiling which is 250 in my mind. A lot depends on Kostitsyn. The more I read on him, the more I think special teams specialist. He can play PP, PK.

But what I really want is for the FREAKIN SEASON TO START ALREADY!

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Always intrigued when a contract is rejected even if it was just something small and obviously something correctable...does anyone know what the issue was with Geoffrion's contract that required a change?

Also, Lombardi was a nice signing and I like the trade with the Devils for both organizations.

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I'm just estimating the ceiling which is 250 in my mind. A lot depends on Kostitsyn. The more I read on him, the more I think special teams specialist. He can play PP, PK.

But what I really want is for the FREAKIN SEASON TO START ALREADY!
Over the past two seasons, Kostitsyn put about 1.3 shots on net per game both seasons. That's less than Legwand. His prorated goal totals for 82 games comes to 12 goals (with the earlier season including an average of 2:00+ of power play time).

Lombardi's statistics almost mirror Erat's. He shoots about 2.2 shots on goal per game and prorates out to about 20 goals.

Andersson is a major wild card of course.

With all his faults, Arnott was one of only three players (Weber and Hornqvist the others) that put more than 200 shots on goal last season even with the lower games-played total. The fourth most shots came from Erat's 168.

I like what Lombardi and Kostitsyn could potentially bring to the table in terms of speed, forechecking and likely better overall play defensively from the forwards. That said, this team desperately needs someone to put pucks on net for Hornqvist and to help draw the defense away from Weber on the power play with their own goal scoring abilities. Do either Lombardi and Kostitsyn fit that bill? Historically, no they don't. Both are considered more playmaker than goal scorer.

Nashville was near the top of the league in depth goal scoring last season. They'll likely be there again next season. That's great for the regular season, but the playoffs require having players that can raise their games to a higher, more elite level. Nashville does not have that yet among their forwards and actually took a step back in that regard with the loss of Arnott (a trade that I favored then and now).


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After that. I see the Preds with a deep O, it's traditional defense first mentality, and a central division which weakened itself. Detroit did nothing except get older.
unfortunately, I say this every year and they never seem to slow down. maybe this will be the year.

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unfortunately, I say this every year and they never seem to slow down. maybe this will be the year.
But they did last year. I know, I know it was the injuries. Injuries are what come with age.

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Just got the "tweet" from the Preds stating a MAJOR announcement would go down at the skate of the union tonight.......Is announcing your new captain " MAJOR"?
What if the Captain was announced with a contract extension that locks him up for 5 + years...is that Major?? WTF IS MAJOR going to be???

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Just got the "tweet" from the Preds stating a MAJOR announcement would go down at the skate of the union tonight.......Is announcing your new captain " MAJOR"?
What if the Captain was announced with a contract extension that locks him up for 5 + years...is that Major?? WTF IS MAJOR going to be???
Given that Poile said that they wouldn't talk to Weber about an extension until after training camp, I don't think that's it.

New captain...perhaps...new jersey info, perhaps.

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any of our stalkers know if weber is in town?

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Look in the "captain" thread...

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Just got the "tweet" from the Preds stating a MAJOR announcement would go down at the skate of the union tonight.......Is announcing your new captain " MAJOR"?
What if the Captain was announced with a contract extension that locks him up for 5 + years...is that Major?? WTF IS MAJOR going to be???
Major is a rank between Captain and Lieutenant Colonel

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