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06-23-2010, 08:48 AM
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I actually really like Savard a lot as a player, and the Kessel connection is a plus.

But how "friendly" is that capt hit going to be when he's 39 years old?

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06-23-2010, 08:53 AM
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As a Bruins fan and Leafs fan, I have to disagree here. The Bruins defense was average BEFORE the departure of Wideman. Now, there is a huge glaring hole on the Bruins blueline. Kaberle>>Wideman. If PC gets Kaberle, the Bruins will win the cup next season. If they do nothing to improve the blueline, they will be bounced in the 2nd or 3rd round again.

That said, I do not think Savard will be dealt. He is too important to the Bruins attack. I hope he comes back from his concussion as good as ever. The only way this deal might go down is if PC knows something about Savard that we fans don't.

Dreger is a very good source for insider information. He does not stir up **** for nothing.
Umm.... We had the least amount of goals in the NHL last year... And made it into 6th. Goal-tending and Defence were among the best. Wideman was not a big factor in the shut down at all. If anything we'll be better next year. Chara quarter-backs it well, and Boychuk looks hungry and ready to become a force. Last year he blew everyone away and that was him just getting started.

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06-23-2010, 08:59 AM
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I actually really like Savard a lot as a player, and the Kessel connection is a plus.

But how "friendly" is that capt hit going to be when he's 39 years old?
Very, since he'll only be making $525K in each of his last 2 years of the deal. If he hasn't retired yet, he can just be sent to the minors without any owner feeling much of a burden financially.

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06-23-2010, 09:02 AM
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Very, since he'll only be making $525K in each of his last 2 years of the deal. If he hasn't retired yet, he can just be sent to the minors without any owner feeling much of a burden financially.
Ah, very nice.

How was he after coming back from his concussion?

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06-23-2010, 09:04 AM
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Given contract circumstances, and this specific deal being within the division...

Savard + 1st round pick in 2010 + 3rd in 2011 + Weidman >>> Horton + Kaberle + Campbell.

IMO these combination of moves wouldn't be good for Boston.
If your point is that the Bruins massively overpaid for Horton, then I completely agree.

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06-23-2010, 09:08 AM
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Ah, very nice.

How was he after coming back from his concussion?
Meh, they over-protected him with very little ice time against Philly. Probably a good idea since Krejci and Bergeron were stepping up. He got 3 PTs in 7 GP of limited Ice time. That Game winning goal against Philly was amazing though. Haha He's got so much heart it makes the team that much better. And when the guy takes a pay cut to stay on a team he loves and still performs... you gotta love it.

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If your point is that the Bruins massively overpaid for Horton, then I completely agree.
what are you talking about ,you are speaking volumes about your hockey knowlege

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06-23-2010, 09:16 AM
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If your point is that the Bruins massively overpaid for Horton, then I completely agree.
we overpaid or Horton?

giving up the 15th pick in the draft and a defensive liability like wideman for a young player who can score 30 goals and has the potential to hit 40 is not overpaying.

there was a trade made by your team and the Bruins that would count as overpaying, you will see just the beginning of the result of the overpayment this friday.

for the record this is all speculation, why would PC deal our best offensive player for one year of Kaberle. and why are leafs fans so obsessed with making more trades with the Bruins? they never really work out for you guys.

i am not against trading savard, but the right deal has to come around. i am not throwing him to a division rival for one year of a player. we will need more coming back.

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06-23-2010, 09:17 AM
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This deal is almost bad enough for Boston that it negates the good Kessel trade.

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06-23-2010, 09:29 AM
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I'd honestly consider Kabs and a 2012 first for Savard. Sure, we'd get bugged for giving them 3 straight first rounders (ya, ya one was 2nd overall..) but he's signed for SEVEN more years at a 4 mill cap hit. Then again, now that I look at his contract Boston cheated the system with his contract and by the looks of it, he'll retire in 4-5 years. I am all for the "rebuilding" effort and don't want to part ways with another first but adding Savard will only help Kadri and Bozak, while we know what Kessel can do with him.

But what would they do? Kadri and Bozak are their 1-2 centers and Savard would obviously become another one. Move Kadri to the wing?

Whatever, by the looks of it, it is pure speculation on Dregers part. "Boston and Toronto have yet to re-open talks involving Kaberle"

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06-23-2010, 09:33 AM
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I can't see Burke trading Kaberle for Savard, would hope not at least. Need younger guys who are still going to be around and at their prime 3-4 years from now, not a guy whose going to be nearing the end of his career.

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06-23-2010, 09:40 AM
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OK... I'm not joking.

To Toronto
Savard

To Boston
Kaberle
Kadri
2012 first rounder or 2013 first rounder. (2013 if 2012 is a top 10 pick.)

I think Leafs fans will say the price is too high, but Savard is one of the best centers out there. Check out his track record since the lock-out. He was great with both the Preds and the Bruins. 4 million a year is a complete steal and he's locked up for a very long time.

We don't know what Kaberle will want after next season or if the Bruins will even have the cap space to hold onto him, so he's not worth anything near Savard with 1 year left on his contract.

Kadri has to be in there. The chance of Kadri turning out to be ass effective as Savard is what? 1/20? 1/30? Kadri is a highly touted prospect, but Savard is arguably one of the top 5 playmakers in the league. I don't see Kadri turning into a top 5 anything in the league.(unless he pulls a Sean Avery...and we know what top-5 that would get you on)

So we've got a first pairing defenseman with 1 year left on his contract and a good prospect. Still not enough for a damn good first line center. One could argue that that first rounder isn't enough, but many Leafs fans may argue that they need a first round pick some time.
You idiot, Kadri + 1st 2012 is arguably enough on their own for Savard.

Deal would look like this:

Kaberle
Kadri
2012 1st

Savard
leafs 2011 1st
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06-23-2010, 09:52 AM
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Maybe this:

to Boston
Kaberle
Kadri

to Toronto
Savard
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seguin will take over as center so it makes sense

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06-23-2010, 10:00 AM
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kaberle + Kulemin ++ (midlevel prospect)

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Savard and Leafs 1st 2011

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why in the world would Boston do this they hold the leafs first rounder next year and would be plain stupid to give them a first line center to play with Kessel and help them have a modicum of success. If im boston I offer prospects of nothing and hope for top 5 pick next year. Beiska could be had for much less and is close enough of a wideman equivelant to call it a day.

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Maybe this:

to Boston
Kaberle
Kadri

to Toronto
Savard
Marchand
TOR isn't adding Kadri.

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kaberle + Kulemin ++ (midlevel prospect)

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Savard and Leafs 1st 2011
BOS isn't adding a 1st to "dump" Savard for Kaberle.

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TOR isn't adding Kadri.



BOS isn't adding a 1st to "dump" Savard for Kaberle.
Boston isn't adding to dump its adding to get Kulemin. Savard for Kaberle straight up is a pretty fair deal. Kulemin + a prospect like Hayes/Damigo is fair for a 1st in a weak draft.

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Boston isn't adding to dump its adding to get Kulemin. Savard for Kaberle straight up is a pretty fair deal. Kulemin + a prospect like Hayes/Damigo is fair for a 1st in a weak draft.
No it's not. It clearly favors the Leafs.

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No it's not. It clearly favors the Leafs.
how? both are the same age, both are stars (not superstars). Same cap. Neither are players who will carry a team. Kaberle only has one year, but Savard is coming off a concussion and is signed until 40.

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Savard won't play until he's 40, though. Look at his contract..

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how? both are the same age, both are stars (not superstars). Same cap. Neither are players who will carry a team. Kaberle only has one year, but Savard is coming off a concussion and is signed until 40.
He's on a front loaded cap friendly deal that is easily bought out in the last few years. Kaberle is a UFA at the end of the year and will want a raise.

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Savard won't play until he's 40, though. Look at his contract..
Exactly. The numbers drop off heavily to make a buyout very easy and inexpensive...

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He's on a front loaded cap friendly deal that is easily bought out in the last few years. Kaberle is a UFA at the end of the year and will want a raise.
Its easily bought out if you are PHX or CLB but NOT if you are TOR, since his cap hit will be higher than the actual dollar buy out amount per year.

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So when do these media sorts actually start doing research? You know, looking into the fact Savard has a full NTC for the 1st year. I'm sure he signed a 7 yr deal because he hated the team and community. Does anybody really think this rumour has any legs?

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